kubotan

Discussion in 'Weapons' started by nicolo, Jul 7, 2003.

  1. nicolo

    nicolo Valued Member

    anyone carry/use a kubotan? Anyone used it in a real situation?
     
  2. pgm316

    pgm316 lifting metal

    I don't, I know people that carry them, none have had to use them yet. I've never really thought of carrying one, until just then ;)

    I'd like to know what the more experienced people on here think and any recommended places to buy them.
     
  3. KickChick

    KickChick Valued Member

    Yes I do....

    I find it a pretty practical weapon easily accessible without being obvious to your attacker. The only weapon that I carry all the time is a kubotan attached to my enormous set of keys ... and legal (at least in my area).

    You can target the sternum, ribs, and chest including the face, armpits, collarbones, neck, groin, and basically anywhere else where nerve endings are fairly unprotected by muscle.
    You can use to hold or escort someone into a lock/hold position. Whether it be to give them a jab in order to open them up for a hold to be applied, or to increase the incentive for the target to comply in a compliance hold situation.

    Pretty practical ... just waiting for a chance to use it!

    I have a 6 inch gold aluminum one that I purchased online.... you can find at bladestore.com
     
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  4. nicolo

    nicolo Valued Member

    Cool, I still have the authentic ones...black plastic with the Kubotan trademark on it. It's amazing I walked into court for jury duty and five officers surrounded me because I was carrying it.
     
  5. pgm316

    pgm316 lifting metal

    But, it is a small weapon to be striking with, I'm not sure how effective it would really be?

    And for the locks I'd imagine it quite fiddly and risky, either getting the lock on right or failing completely!
     
  6. Andy Murray

    Andy Murray Sadly passed away. Rest In Peace.

    Hi Nicolo,

    I carry a six inch Maglite.

    Does the same things, has a lifetime gaurantee, is legal everywhere.............oh and it lights up too!
     
  7. Scotty Dog

    Scotty Dog www.myspace.com/elhig

    I used to carry the usual keychain type, but changed to the maglight as after a drunken stag night when we all got frisked by a couple of police men,

    " what's this then ???" said the police man

    ":Angel: My Key's:Angel: " say's elhig, with an inocent look

    "bit big for a key ring" the officer replies

    ":Angel: I lose them a lot :Angel: " Still trying to look inoccent

    " sure it's not for hitting people with " stated the officer

    with a feat of unbelieveable willpower elhig replyed
    ":Angel: no it's just a keyring:Angel: "
    while thinking
    " :yeleyes:You know I'd never thought of that, what a BRILLIANT idea to put in my head :yeleyes: "
     
  8. morphus

    morphus Doobrey

    i got one - i know a few tech's that i've been shown but i'm not well versed in them so i don't carry it!:)
     
  9. Darkflight

    Darkflight New Member

    I've been intrigued by this weapon since I saw it for sale on some websites as a keyring but some searching on Google came up with a page (which I can't find now) advising against its use due to its legality.

    Apparently in this country (UK) it's classed as a weapon (that is, designed for the purpose of hurting someone) and is therefore illegal to carry, even if it is on a keyring. Chances of getting caught, and the police actually realising what it is are pretty slim though, as elhiggito showed.

    I carry a maglite solitaire too, perfectly legal, and does the same job, and yes it lights up :)
     
  10. KickChick

    KickChick Valued Member

    Unfortunately a simple self defense gadget/keychain like the kubotan will indeed land you in jail in Britain.

    There is alot of reference to defending yourself and the illegalities in Britain (small weapons) on Don Rearic's web page.
     
  11. NotAMonte86

    NotAMonte86 New Member

    I carry a kubaton with two spikes sticking straight out the side, so when you hold it in your fist, you have two spikes sticking out in between your fingers. I call it a "can opener" and have not used it yet. The spikes stick out pretty far, I would be worried about using it (unless I'm in a life or death situation)!
    Got it on E-Bay for $4.50 shipped.
     
  12. Darkflight

    Darkflight New Member

    I'm going to try and find that Don Rearic guys site... :)

    As I said, Maglites are the way forward :)
     
  13. KickChick

    KickChick Valued Member

    .... just give it a Google!

    yeah, there are some "flashlights" that you can strike with but also momentarily blind your attacker.

    Besides the kubaton, there is also a neat little item called the .koppo stick , as seen in Hatsumi Sensei's book "Stick Fighting" under the title of "Eda Koppo" for the Eda Koppo technique.

    It has a loop for the middle and ring fingers, and this simple loop adds one very important feature that the kubaton does not have and that is , retention. It allows you to use the stick without fear of your hands slipping off under impact, and it also allows you to open your hand for open hand strikes and grappling, without losing your weapon.
     
  14. KickChick

    KickChick Valued Member

    ah, but it is very effective!

    You can use the kubaton to strike nerve centers and pressure points on the body. The strikes can hit anywhere on the body with the greatest of effect bringing an assailant to their knees in instant agony. The end serves to channel and concentrate the force of a strike to one point.
    Simultaneous blocks/strikes to the muscles of the arms can paralyse the limb, breaking a hold or dropping a weapon. Bicep, tricep, brachial artery on the inside of bicep and the inner and lower sides of the forearm can be sickening and highly effective target strikes.
    Stabbing or thrusting the stick into a leg can instantly deter any kicker. Thigh, shin and calf are all targets. Stabbing into the femoral artery high on the inner thigh near the groin can collapse a leg very quickly for a takedown. All muscle strikes can cause deep bruising and temporary loss of usage to a limb. Torso - front and back - can also put paid to a frontal or rear attack. Lethal targets are of course, the eyes, temples,throat and the base of the skull is reserved for times of extreme danger. :eek:
     
  15. Scotty Dog

    Scotty Dog www.myspace.com/elhig

    supprised Yoda's not posted this already as this is from his site

    weapons legality

    the one thing about the mag light thing is that even though you shouldn't be done for carrying, if you use it it's still classed as an offensive weapon :(
     
  16. KickChick

    KickChick Valued Member

    I'm surprised also:)

    It is funny how the position of the Brits has changed....back in the early American states our forebears understood that they had an individual right to possess and carry arms for defense, ( it was subject to the common law restriction, noted by Sir William Blackstone,)that one could not carry weapons if they intended to terrify the people or make an affray of the peace.

    Here amongst the States there are discretionary licensing laws that are currently on the books regarding the carrying of small weapons such as the kubaton.

    Here in America, our Declaration of Independence asserts that governments are instituted to secure the right to life. The right to life of necessity implies the right to maintain or continue one's life by defending it against violent criminal assault.
     
  17. nicolo

    nicolo Valued Member

    Wait I live in New York and I carry a real plastic Kubotan. Not the spiked metal ones. So you're saying that's illegal too?
     
  18. nicolo

    nicolo Valued Member


    ----dang, first you blind your assailant then joint lock em
     
  19. nicolo

    nicolo Valued Member

    ----

    well the Kubotan isn't the real striking weapon, it's the keys that are attached to it. With the keys in place, you can use the Kubotan like a mini-flail or mace and smash them into your attacker's face, bones, etc. You can also strike with the body of the Kubotan itself, but it may not hurt or have as much damaging impact as the keys. If you have the metal sticks, that'll hurt. I have the plastic ones so it may sting a little if I whipped that on you.

    Generally, if you're good with joint locks (you're an aikidoka, jujitsu fighter, chi-na, etc) you'll use the kubotan to capture and lock an attacker. Most ordinary people HIT first...it's a natural reaction to HIT and the keys with the kubotan makes a perfect weapon.

    If anyone is interested in purchasing the authentic plastic Kubotans let me know and I can direct you to the source. The thing I don't like about the metal ones is that they can hurt if used against you. They also have built in keyrings so that doesn't leave you with much of an option for altering it. My kubotan originally came with a tiny screw-eyelet for the keyring. I've since replaced that with a thick 1/8" screw-eyelet. It's big and perfect for jabbing into an attacker because it has less surface area than the regular butt of a Kubotan.
     
  20. KickChick

    KickChick Valued Member

    ...huh??? are you sure you know how to use the kubaton. How were you instructed on employing the techniques. Did you even read my post?
    True, with keys attached it makes an alternative flailing weapon too.

    No thanks ..... I'll keep my heavy duty aluminum kubaton and koppo ....
     

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