I found out about ketogenic diets a while ago (I've actually been on one for a few weeks now), and now that I see it being mentioned here on MAP I thought I'd post the article that first got my attention. Going on a CKD really is a great way to turn fat into muscle. ============================================================================================ The Cyclical Ketogenic Diet: True Fat Loss By: Didn't actually see a name, the guy who wrote this article called himself "BlindFaith". In recent media, low carbohydrate diets have been THE fad for almost everybody in America wanting to lose weight. From your secretaries, elementary school teachers, and desk clerks, to bodybuilders, models, actresses, and athletes. However, there is a huge difference between those who follow an Atkins plan and those who follow a cyclical ketogenic diet (CKD). Atkins is a low carb plan for those who are quite sedentary, walk maybe 3 times a week at the most, and just follow normal everyday activities. So forget Atkins here. The CKD is for those who’s main concern is true fat loss and muscle preservation—muscle for sports and high intensity activities. My opinion for those who practice Atkins is that while they do lose fat, there is much water loss and most importantly muscle loss. Something we athletes do not want. A CKD is a true fat loss diet that works undeniably, if followed properly and strictly. Yes, low carb diets can be hell at first, but after two to three weeks, there have been anecdotal reports from many dieters that the cravings for carbohydrates decrease. This route to fat burning is unlike any traditional diet all the low-fat diet authors and FDA people have been advocating in history. I got turned onto this diet a few years back when I got tired of cutting fat and still not being able to lose those last percentage points of bodyfat without losing hard earned muscle. I would start a low-fat diet, and be a either a social misfit (not going out with my friends to party or not going out to eat). Or in the worse case, feel so deprived of delicious junk foods I missed and bail out on the diet all together. One advantage to this diet is that there is no true restrictions on food. One may eat anything labeled a "food"! Well, almost. I’ll explain later. How the diet works. The science behind the CKD is simple. Carbohydrates in the diet cause an insulin (a "storage" hormone) output in the pancreas. It is used to store glycogen, amino acids into muscles, while causing excess calories to be stored as fat. So common sense asks me, "How can one try to break down fat, when your body is in a storage-type mode?" Difficult to do, indeed. That is why it makes perfect sense for step one to be cutting carbs. The next thing that happens in your body is the rise in catecholamines (a "fat mobilizing" hormone), cortisol (a "breakdown" hormone), and growth hormone. Now your body realizes there’s no more carbs to burn for energy, so it must find another energy source: fat. This usually happens during a metabolic condition called "ketosis." This is when your liver is out of glycogen and starts to produce ketones (by-products of fatty acids). You can check your status of whether or not you are in ketosis with urinalysis strips you can pick up at any local drug store called "Ketostix." Just urinate and see if it turns color. If so, you have ketones in the urine. When the body is fed fat and protein, it will use dietary fat along with bodyfat for energy with protein going towards repair. As a side note, there is another reason why this diet makes the most sense to use while keeping muscle. When one follows a high carbohydrate, low-fat, reduced-calorie diet, there’s a point when some bodyfat is burned, but when the body is still in a carbohydrate burning metabolism while trying to lose "weight," it will strip down precious body protein to convert to glucose for energy. On the other hand, during fat metabolism, protein cannot be converted into free-fatty acids for energy. Although there is no scientific research done on this, there have been reports from followers that there truly is a "protein-sparing" effect. It makes sense doesn’t it? Where else would the body look for fat energy when all dietary fat is burned? Bodyfat. Diet Requirements Mon. to Fri. The phrase "working smarter, not harder" applies here more than any diet one has tried. One must fully understand what they must do in order to optimize their goal. To set a CKD up, one cannot just expect to cut all carbs in the diet, train hard, and lose fat! Although some have come up with variations to this plan, the one stated in this article, I have found, has worked for myself (it got me to 6% BF), and other clients I’ve trained to the leanest, hardest they’ve ever been. First, to set up the diet, write down your lean mass weight. Not your total weight, dough boy. If you weigh 200, but have 20% bodyfat, your lean mass weight would be around 160 pounds. Multiply this by one, getting your grams of protein requirements for a day. Make sure you eat at least one gram of protein/pound of lean mass! This is important in recovery from workouts and enough nitrogen retention to keep muscle. Next, multiply by four, to get your protein calories. Here, it is 640. The rest of your caloric requirements for the day should be fat. Here is the catch: you must eat fat to burn fat. There’s no way around it. There are many advantages to dietary fat on this diet: Feeling of fullness since fat digestion is slow (less hunger), tastes great, and lowers blood glucose levels (lowering insulin and allow all the fat burning hormones to do their job). So how much fat? I always recommend starting out with a 500 calorie deficit from your maintenance calories. If you don’t know, it is usually 15 times body weight (full body weight here) depending on an individuals metabolic rate. So here, the example would need 3000 calories a day to maintain weight, and 2500 calories to begin fat loss. 2500 minus 640 (protein calories) is 1860 which works out to be around 206 fat grams a day. Now as you go deeper into the diet, and find the need to restrict calories more, you must cut fat calories, not protein. The Weekend Carb Load Since muscle glycogen is the main source of energy for anaerobic exercise such as weight training, we cannot simply deplete all stores while working out and not fill them back up. If that does happen, be rest-assured that the body WILL use protein for fuel then. But this won’t happen on the CKD. Your one and a half days of "freedom" allow you to do two things: First, reward your carb cravings from the previous days, allowing you to enjoy pleasures like pizza, pasta, breads, etc. Second, eating these things are physiologically rewarding as insulin levels run high, storing amino acids and carbs, as glycogen, into the depleted muscle allowing you to be able to workout again the following week. Your "carb-up" should begin Friday night and last until around midnight Saturday. Now the next important issue to address is how many carbs. Some lucky individuals find that they eat whatever they want for the 24-30 hour time interval and receive perfect glycogen compensation, while others rely on a better statistical number. What has been recommended by other authors of the CKD is 10-12 grams of carbs per kilogram of lean mass. Again, time to do math. Our example had 160 pounds of lean mass, so divide that by the conversion factor of 2.2, and we get roughly 73 kg. 100 Grams of easily digested liquid carbs along with around half as many grams of carbs in protein (here 50) as a whey shake or something of that nature should be taken right after the last workout (which I will address in the workout section of the article) when insulin sensitivity will be at its greatest. A few hours later this individual will start to spread the remaining 630 grams of carbs, along with the important number of 160 grams of protein (remember, keep this constant) during the remainder of the compensation period. So what about dietary fat? I know you’re reminding yourself, "Didn’t this guy mention pizza?" Yes, I did. And here’s why. During the first 24-30 hours of carbing up, the body will use all dietary carbohydrates to refill glycogen, protein for rebuilding, and get this: fat for energy. Still? Just like the previous five and a half days. Makes sense. When all the carbohydrates are being used for more important functions (muscle), what else is there to be used? However, you can’t just eat all the fat you want. Keep grams of fat intake below your body weight in kilograms. Again, here our example will keep is fat below 73 during the carb-fest. By anecdotal reports, this should keep fat regain minimal to nil. Keeping fat intake extremely low has even caused some extra fat burning during the carb up! As stated before, some dietary fat should be eaten to slow digestion and keep sugar levels stable. Whether it be saturated, unsaturated, or essential fats, is the dieter’s decision. All have nine calories per gram. (Note: there is a claim that essential fatty acids such as flax seed oil increase insulin sensitivity within the muscle cells, in turn, increasing glycogen intake.) In Case You Missed It So here’s how it breaks down during the week: Sunday through Friday afternoon , you will follow the low carb diet outlined above. Eat fat and protein all day everyday except on workout days because after workouts, you will need to consume strictly just protein—no fat or carbs. Some have found to enjoy a protein shake afterwards because they are easily digested. Do whatever works for you. But fat is not logical since you want the protein to fuel the healing process as quickly as possible and fat will only slow it down. Friday afternoon, around two hours before your last workout of the week, eat two to three pieces of fruit. This will get your body/liver ready to start the carb loading and give you some energy for that final, dreadful workout (trust me, during the first few weeks, you will not want to do that final workout, but you must). Then from Friday night until Saturday at midnight or until bed, eat those carbs! CKD Workout Now, the question is, how do we workout to optimize muscle preservation and keep our metabolism up while dieting? Before we get into that, one must realize that during any dieting scheme there is one thing that must be done, and one thing that must not be done. First, you must keep training volume lower than your usual routine. Overtraining is probably the number one killer in motivation, it deprives sleep, and hinders fat loss. Second, you must not fall into the myth of lighter weights with higher reps. You got your muscle by benching 240, and you have to bench 240 to keep that same muscle! Or at least around that area! Okay, now that we have that established, here’s what we do: On Monday and Tuesday we will work our weaker body parts, rest or cardio on Wednesday and Thursday mornings, Thursday do our strongest body parts, and Friday a combination of the Monday/Tuesday workouts in a loop format. The workout I have found to work optimally for myself and my clients is this: (Note: You may feel free to tweak, shake, and turn this example upside down. Everybody is different, so find what works for you.) MONDAY: Chest, Back, Abs High intensity workouts with 60 sec rest between sets, 90 sec rest between each exercise (this excludes all warm up sets) Bench 3 sets, 6-10 reps T-bar Row 3 sets, 6-10 reps Incline bench 3 sets, 6-10 reps Latpulldown to front 3 sets, 6-10 reps Dips or Decline bench 3 sets, 6-10 reps Shrugs 3 sets, 6-10 reps Flys (any type) 2 sets, 10-12 reps Reverse flys 2 sets, 10-12 reps Stiff-leg deadlift 3 sets, 10-12 reps Rope ab crunch 3 sets, 10-15 reps Reverse crunch 3 sets, 10-20 reps TUESDAY: Shoulders, Arms Same intensity mentioned before Behind the neck shoulder press 3 sets, 8-10 reps Military press 3 sets, 8-10 reps Preacher curls 3 sets, 8-10 reps French press or "skull-crushers" 3 sets, 8-10 reps Shoulder raises (any type) 2 sets, 8-10 reps Hammers 3 sets, 8-10 reps V-bar tricep press 3 sets, 8-10 reps Forearm curls 2 sets, 8-10 reps Reverse forearm curls 2 sets, 8-10 reps Wednesday: Rest or Cardio Thursday morning: Rest or Cardio Later on Thursday: Legs Same intensity mentioned before Squat or Leg press 4 sets, 6-10 reps Lying leg curl 4 sets, 6-10 reps Standing calf raise 4 sets 6-10 reps Leg extensions 4 sets, 10-12 reps Seated leg curl 4 sets, 10-12 reps Seated calf raise 4 sets, 10-12 reps Friday night: Final Workout Same intensity mentioned before Bench 2 sets, 6-10 reps T-bar Row 2 sets, 6-10 reps Incline bench 2 sets, 6-10 reps Latpulldown to front 2 sets, 6-10 reps Behind the neck shoulder press 1 set, 8-10 reps Military press 1 set, 8-10 reps Either curl exercise 2 sets, 8-10 reps Either tricep exercise 2 sets, 8-10 reps Stiffleg deadift 1 set, 8-10 reps Normal floor ab crunch 2 sets, 10-20 reps Reverse crunches 2 sets, 10-20 reps Start the carb up for 24-30 hours! Aerobics Before we go on, I want to address the cardio/aerobics issue. Some people find that for the first month on a CKD, cardio/aerobics is not needed. However when fat loss does start to slow down a bit, that is when most start adding 30 min. sessions on their off days. Be careful though, you do not want to hinder your Thursday leg workout. So experiment and try to only add aerobic sessions if you feel you have to. Supplements So we have the basic diet outline stated, the workout, now what about supplements? Things that can extremely optimize this diet regime. Well, I have to admit no allegiance to any supplement company on this one: Water. Water is important on any diet, especially low carb since there is a diuretic effect, and more importantly during the carbing period. Glycogen is stored with water! You need as much water as possible to hydrate the depleted muscle. Trust me, you will feel a huge "pump" on Sunday morning from all the stored carbs and water INSIDE your muscle. Speaking of muscle, the god of all sports supplement right now: Creatine. It can still be used on a low carb diet. Usually 10 grams a day during the low carb days, and around 20-30 grams during the carbing period should work for most everybody. I highly recommend it for everybody who doesn’t get an upset stomach using it. Finally, one that everyone that’s dieted before knows about: The ECA stack. Most have not used pure ECA, but mainly herbal extracts in thermogenic products sold by sports supplement companies. For a pre-work out boost and increased fat burning through thermogenics (heat), this is my favorite supplement. It does its job, you feel it happening, and it can help you psychologically when you don’t feel like working out that day. Conclusion With all this said, I will throw my personal opinion, thanks and motivation on or for the cyclical ketogenic diet. First of all, to me, it is the greatest diet every developed. It makes sense, works and isn’t as hard to follow as one might think. Just stay motivated and concentrate on your goal. When you have a craving during the week for that cupcake or pasta, just go eat a delicious serving of some pepperoni and melted mozzarella cheese. Or how about a hamburger patty covered in cheddar cheese and some strips of bacon? Foods that are delicious and that can satiate hunger. I followed this exact plan this past summer for eight weeks and loss 18 pounds of fat without any loss in muscle. It was the leanest and most vascular I had ever seen myself. And I must give thanks where thanks are due since I did not come up with this diet. Dan Duchaine, who recently passed away, brought my attention to a CKD with his book BodyOpus and Lyle McDonald has done deep research and wrote his book The Ketogenic Diet: A Complete Guide for the Dieter and Practitioner. This diet can be for you. Oh you’re only a mass builder? Well, lower bodyfat percentages even make you look bigger! Give it some thought and decide. Then achieve your goal. It’s worth it: A diet with true fat loss.
Oh man, where to start?! I didn't read the whole of that last post - a few paragraphs in and I'd had enough. FACT: You cannot turn fat into muscle or muscle into fat. FACT: Low Carb/high protein diets are primarily water loss. FACT: Excess ketones are toxic and will cause all sorts of damage to your liver and kidneys.
Good article Sean O Very interesting and containing some good info - the weight routine sux though I can't find where the article says that you can. Lose fat & maintain or gain muscle yes. Not if you replace it. Possibly - hence the CKD rather than full ketosis as in Atkins.
it starts off at a 500 calorie deficit? Wow thats a lot. Me thinks my stomache would be growling constantly... besides that it sounds nice.
Mo Lung, Who's "FACT" is it that a low carb diet only loses water weight? Where did you find that fact? I'm on a low carb diet and I know for a fact that its not true. If you have some scientific research that you've published or a document that a reputable doctor has written I'll give it more thought...but until then I know it works. I've lost 13 lbs and I've gained muscle. It works.
Mo lung, it doesn't mean that you can magically transform fat into muscle, it means that your body uses up your fat for energy, and the weight you lose is regained with muscle growth.
Oh yeah and for those of you who don't like the sound of it, I felt the same way before I got on it. I didn't like the sound of eating fat to lose fat, but it actually works. If you're wondering about side effects, the only ones I personally experienced were that my mouth always tasted like metal, my urine began to smell, and that I seemed to be very alert all the time. I've also heard that your breath may begin to smell "fruity" (not in a good way) and that instead of feeling more alert, you may feel just a bit foggy. But that's still not that bad a trade, eh? P.S. lol I figured you wouldn't like the routine, yoda. Then again I got this from a bodybuilding site, so I don't blame you.
YODA - From the original post. As for the CKD compared to Atkins on ketosis, I'll take your word for it as I don't have resources handy to check the details.
That's not what you said, but fair enough. However, any good balanced diet and exercise regimen will do that. You burn fat mostly at rest, so eat sensibly, train hard and you will burn fat and gain muscle. Still, like I said before - whatever works for you. If you're happy with it, then go for it.
Mo Lung, The low carb works because when you are eating carbs your body puts out a chemical that says don't use any body fat...I have carbs for energy. I'm sure that even with a low calorie, low fat diet (high carb) you can loose the weight. It just takes more time and more will power. When your body digests the protein and fat (low carbs) it puts your body into a fat burning mode. Its easier to use your body fat for energy than it is to turn that protein into energy. I'm not saying your way is wrong...if it works for you great. Just read Dr. Atkins' books...I bet it makes sense to you after you get a few chapters in. I didn't believe it at first either...but after I started reading...it just hit me....the book makes sense.
I know the method and I don't agree with it. You know, for every molecule of CHO in your muscles, stored for use, there are two molecules of water. Take away the CHO and you take away twice as much water. Also, when your body can't burn CHO for fuel, sure it burns fat. It also starts "eating" muscle, so growth is harder. You load up the protein, kinda cancelling out that effect (a huge debate in itself, that), but then the body has all this excess protein to filter out, hence damaged kidneys and liver. HPLC diets are just the fad of the moment. The long term effects are yet to be well documented.
I know the short time effects: 1. Increased energy 2. Loss of weight 3. Sleep better at night 4. Never hungry like I was on a low calorie diet 5. Lower cholesterol 6. Gain of muscle mass 7. Increased strength 8. Overall better attitude 9. No heartburn
Nope! When your body's using carbs for fuel, and it runs low on carbs, it'll start converting your muscles to carbohydrates by glyconeogenesis. But when your metabolism has switched over into ketosis, your body burns ketones as its energy source. Muscle can't be converted into ketones, only fat can. In excessively high amounts, ketones are toxic. But unless you're diabetic or have a similar metabolic feedback your body won't release more ketones than it can burn, and you'll be fine. Oh, and don't take his word for it, on the CKD. Read at www.c-k-d.com, or join the www.anabolicminds.com forum and ask Blindfaith or Bobo.
Not to resurrect this thread, but ..I'm considering trying out a CKD (researching some various ways to break out of my strength plateau.) I've done Atkins with amazing success for fat loss, and I've lifted for ages. But - never gave a CKD a real try. Sean O: was wondering - on your CKD, did you really have alot of energy? (I was lethargic on Atkins). Also, assuming you eat six meals a day ala the average weightlifter, what office desk friendly meals do you eat between breakfast/lunch and lunch/dinner? (Can't afford the portable protein bars these days....!) TIA, --J
Just an interesting fact I found concerning diets. The average caloric intake is 2000 calories. A dieter might get 1000-1250 calories. In India people at poverty level living off the streets still have more than 1500 calories per day. Tells you something about the knowledge (or lack there of) lots people have about nutrition doesn't it?
Just starting out on this type of diet so will let you know in a week or two the biggest thing so far has been not having milk in my tea and coffee I havent aquired the taste for it yet. As someone above said read the atkins books they do make sense I have 2 of his books and the later one responds to some of the health issues and even his explanations of those seem like some people are scare mongering. you dont think they could be employed by the sugar industry do you?
Guess what guys? CKD is not much different than Atkins except it takes a safer approach with carb loading. If you're going low carb, then that's the diet to use - but why go low carb? The only people who should be ever going on a low carb diet are the excessively obese or bodybuilders in the few days before a competition. You should never go low carb during a training cycle because you will BURN MUSCLE. Why do you think so many low carb dieters gain all their weight back as soon as they get off the diet? Because they have lost so much muscle that their metabolism has completely crumbeled. As far as the one guys side effects ... I know the short time effects: 1. Increased energy You will have less energy on low carb. 2. Loss of weight Loss of Fat and A LOT OF MUSCLE 3. Sleep better at night 4. Never hungry like I was on a low calorie diet Hunger is just your body adjusting. I'm personally never hungry on my low calorie. 5. Lower cholesterol Low Carb diets are always higher in fat and cholesterol than any others. 6. Gain of muscle mass You cannot gain muscle without carbohydrates there to fuel, not to mention this is a weight loss diet. You don't gain barely any mass on a cutting diet. 7. Increased strength Loss of strength is expected with use of this diet. 8. Overall better attitude You're often lethargic due to a chemical that's released. You have no motivation. 9. No heartburn You had it before? Edit - Wow, didnt realize this was such an old thread. I saw it listed at the bottom so I decided to give it a click. Sorry, still getting used to this forum, lol.
Thats why its called a way of eating if you stop ANY diet and return to the way you have eaten before then you wil regain the weight and tests show that low carb is a fat burning diet not a muscle burning diet. stop repeating rumour and look some stuff up for yourself please. Nope you gain plenty of energy take it from someone who is doing the diet and knows. Nope your wrong ketones are produced from fat burning not muscle burning again more rumour. good for you but a lot of people cannot stick to a low calorie diet because they feel hungry all the time. your full of this stuff arent you this is one of the areas where low carb dieting is proving time and time again to be benefitial triglycerides go down good cholesterol goes up bad cholesterol goes down and blood pressure normalises so even though you are consuming more fats and more cholesterol its not a problem. Where the hell are you getting this rubbish from? your body has 2 fuel sources and it uses both just as readily one is glucose I will let you work out the other fuel source. What are you on? people are saying I feel happier and stronger and your there saying "no your not" your not working for the pcrm are you? Ok this is the main thing that for me low carbing has been a god send I used to have terrible heartburn since low carbing very rarely get it. Maybe its a lack of ESSENTIAL FATS on that low calorie diet of yours messing about with your brain functions?
