Kenpo FAQ's

Discussion in 'Kenpo' started by MaxG, Aug 16, 2005.

  1. BGile

    BGile Banned Banned

    You are correct in saying that you believe, "a person being there". I believed my Sifu at the time "Johnny Leoning" what he mentioned was not quite the same as what is now being said.

    I tried to clairify it.

    I could say Sonny Gascon and Johnny Leoning said something different, and Sonny still does not agree with John. The reason he wanted to talk to him when he was in So. Cal... But that meet never happened.

    You need to believe in your teachers, because when you don't and doubt takes over, it is best to leave the system. I did.

  2. DAnjo

    DAnjo Valued Member

    So you didn't believe Leoning's version of history and left?
  3. BGile

    BGile Banned Banned

    Has nothing to do with Johnny Leoning, different sentence different time and place and as always it seems confusing, for some. :D

    And done that way I might mention on purpose. If you want to talk about it we can start a new thread if you like. :)

    An interesting thing, I checked and found this on Charles Goodin site, he is involved with the site which I have posted many times in this thread. He has a lot to do with Karate and Hawaii history of the Martial arts.

    When trying to find something on Kajukenbo at the Goodins Blog which is extensive, this is all that came up. Maybe others will try? I also typed in the last name, as you can see Joe is the only one mentioned.

    Professor Walter Godin

    I am sometimes asked if I am related to Professor Walter Godin (1937-2001). Professor Godin learned Kenpo Karate from Joe Emperado and William K. S. Chow.

    My last name is "Goodin." Actually, long ago it was spelled "Goodwyne." I am not related to Professor Godin.

    However, I can see the possibility for confusion. In high school, I had a Kenpo school which I called "Goodin's Kenpo Karate." I did not know about Professor Godin at that time.

    Later and still today, people will ask me, "is Walter your father or uncle?" Now I know who they mean. But I actually did have an uncle Walter who lived in Florida, so you can imagine how confusing it could get.

    My good friend Professor Kimo Ferreira learned from -- guess who? -- Professor Godin.

    My family moved to Hawaii when I was in the 7th grade. My father was born in Georgia and raised in Florida. My mother was born and raised in Fukuoka, Japan. I was born in Massachussetts. My family on the Goodin side does not have any relatives in Hawaii.

    So I am not related to Professor Godin or any Karate teachers in Hawaii.

    But I have met a Charles Gooden here in Hawaii who is also a martial arts instructor. He is a muscular African American gentleman, who like me, also has a son named Charles. I do not think that we would be confused as I am somewhat pallid and definitely frail by comparison. How I wish that we could be confused!


    Charles C. Goodin


    Maybe you will understand further why I feel many things that are mentioned about Kajukenbo is a very contradictional story. As John pointed out in the preface of his book. Like I mentioned an honest evaluation.

    Last edited: Apr 15, 2007
  4. BGile

    BGile Banned Banned

    So, will this be discussed or just allowed to go unanswered. The Bruce Haines book is a perfect example. It was brought up by you and then when questioned further it is dropped.

    The Hawaii years, and Mainland Chapter #9. Much of it is about Mitose. His art (Shorinji Kempo-which is Shaolin Chuan fa, Kosho Kempo).

    One thing that is interesting about the book "Karate's History and Traditions"
    Revised copy, third printing. Much is mentioned about Mitose and his art in Hawaii, his book and Thomas Young.

    But nothing mentioned about Kajukenbo or Emperado. Not even Joe this time. Must be because the art was/is called Kenpo Karate by many (chow)? Charles Goodin said he did not mention it, because he was only interested in where the arts came from, not ones developed later in Hawaii. The pure art was a statement?

    I am not trying to cause a feud, if I don't name it, just seems like it get's not recongnized (unless there is a perceived attack) Even Danjo avoids this one Hmmm.

    Mitose is saying his relatives were still in Japan and he was bound by ties and blood.
    Robert Trias is mentioned and his school is officially the first karate school in 1946, teachers are Tong Gee Hsiang and also Choki Motobu, that could be the tie mentioned by you in another post where Sijo Emperado mentions Mitose as a student (not correct).

    So can you elaborate on the ideas of Bruce Haines 'master papers" while in college that differ from this edition of his book?

    Simple question? If the largest school (#), on the islands was, Kajukenbo, why not one word, nary a mention in this book?

    You brought up the book, I am still curious since it was dropped earlier when I introduced Charles Goodin into the discussion? :confused:
  5. Nuck Chorris

    Nuck Chorris I prefer North South

  6. BGile

    BGile Banned Banned

    Question's are asked, verification is nice or not, if not answered or ignored that is fine. But not forgotten.

    You seem to be someone who would know these things, being the administrator of the forum "". Close ties to the ruling class of Kajukenbo, and all that.

  7. Nuck Chorris

    Nuck Chorris I prefer North South

    I know all sorts of things Gary. The most important thing that I know is when not to say anything :)
  8. DAnjo

    DAnjo Valued Member

    Okay Gary! I'd like to know who spilled the beans to you that there is no Kajukenbo in Hawaii?!? that's supposed to be a big secret, and now you come up with this? Arggghhh!!!
  9. BGile

    BGile Banned Banned

    Cute Danjo, lets take another right turn and then two lefts for good measure.

    Lets put it this way "Kenpo Karate" was used in the picture of Poncie, Kajukenbo had been around prior, (some say and huge in Hawaii) and the term Kajukenbo was not used because they wanted to cling to the art that was EP Sr's at that date and time.

    We need to establish one or the others as what is the name of the organization and when it became that name for real..I'd think Or not.

    Sort of like SKSKI, it is still that, and it is also Kosho Ryu Kempo or Kosho Kempo.

    So when was it correctly called Kajukenbo and not Hawaiian or Kenpo Karate. So many stories so little time till the next one comes out.
  10. roninmaster

    roninmaster be like water

    so why is it with all this history people still try to deny that japanese martial arts came from china?
  11. SFabrizio

    SFabrizio New Member

    Great stuff! I practice/study Kempo-Jujitsu. Does anybody have some comments regarding this style that Mitose brought to US? Thank you.

    Stephen Fabrizio
  12. El Medico

    El Medico Valued Member

    Welcome to MAP!

    The background of Mitose's training and life are somewhat....murky.

    Here,if you wish.Gird thy loins-;wap2
  13. Kenshijim

    Kenshijim New Member

    Im new to this site but correct me if im wrong but is Chuan-fa and kenpo not two ways of saying fist law hence making kempo, kenpo, and chuan fa the same chuan fa also include buddist shaolin kung fu and daoist taiji chuan. kenpo/chuan-fa is a umbrella name for certain budo and wushu arts hope Iv'e not repeated anyone else's views
  14. Kenshijim

    Kenshijim New Member

    it's kosho ryu old pine tree school of kenpo later changed to kempo when he moved to hawaii Kenpo, Kempo, and chuan fa all mean fist law mitose bastardized hi own art in order to please his western student basein my opinion.

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