Wow MAP is back up again. Gary, John's book is about Kajukenbo, not Karazenpo. There are a lot of people that the book does not mention because it had nothing to do with the main thrust of the book. nothing sinister there. BTW, I remember the Karazenpo website saying that they were coming out with the Karazenpo manual with all of Gascon's original techniques in it. It was supposed to come out in 2006, but that has come and gone and no book. I have no doubt that Gascon's book, if it ever comes out, will have a lot more of what you're looking for.