Well, the true history of Karazenpo Go Shinjitsu, gets more confusing with time as more is written about it. I'll put down what I have found here, and perhaps others can be of assistance in the getting to the bottom of it. First off we have the information from Prof. Joe Shuras' Website. Shuras is the Mass. President of the KGSBBS, and his version goes like this: This is from the official website: ( http://www.milfordstudioofselfdefense.com/ ) "Sonny Gascon would later send for his brother-in-law, Professor Walter L. N. Godin, a student of both Sijo Emperado and Professor William Kwai Sun Chow, to assist him in the 'founding' of Karazenpo Go Shinjutsu. The highly talented David Kamalani also contributed to the system. Mr. Kamalani had opened the Northern California Karazenpo Go Shinjutsu School but tragically died at a young age in a motor vehicle accident, I believe in 1966." Then there is the version from Master Bill Mailman's website: ( http://www.umaassociation.com/history.html ) "Leoning's early students began organizing schools of their own. Some opened under the John Leoning banner, some opened under KAJUKENBO, and still other opened under new names. Each of these instructors and schools took with them the versions of the dynamic curriculum they were taught. Among these schools were the KEMBOJUTSO School opened by Richard Ramos, the Los Angeles KARAZENPO school opened by Walter Godin (direct student of Adriano and Joseph Emperado) and Victor Gascon, the Northern California KARAZENPO school opened by David Kamalani, the School Of Shaolin Kempo opened by Charles Frank. During this time period, the original twelve punching combinations were developed, and three formalized forms, today known as Kata #1, Kata #2, and Kata #3. The forms were made up of movements from the KAJUNKENBO system, rearranged, and were largely the creation of Walter Godin who combined various pieces of KAJUKENBO forms. It is unclear exactly where the first twelve punch combinations selected came from, however it is largely held that they were designed by Walter Godin and based again on KAJUKENBO. One of Godin's most notable creations is Shaolin Kempo combination #4, which he continues to use in demonstrations and seminars even today. During this period, it is believed that Walter Godin liked using the term "Shaolin Kempo" to describe the new system. This was a term, which reflected upon the use by Professor Chow. Later, the term "Karazenpo" was combined with "Go Shinjutsu" meaning "way of self defense" as a replacement for "Shaolin Kempo." Walter Godin eventually designed a patch bearing the likeness of Damo, and containing the Katakana characters for the names "Godin," and Gascon - the co-founders of Karazenpo Go Shinjutsu." On Sonny Gascon's website, he says that he opened his first school and started teaching Karazenpo in 1958 ( http://www.karazenpogoshinjutsu.com/history.html ) "Victor opened up a school at 905 Victory Boulevard, Burbank, California in 1958 and called it Karazenpo Go Shinjutsu. His assistants were Joe Black, Richard "Limo" Tanaka and Jack "Justice" Chang. In 1966, Victor closed his school in Burbank because of his new job at the Pasadena Post Office. Working nights, it became impossible to run his school. Victor had his first daughter, Angela, and a new house to support. Victor continued to teach private lessons at his house either in the garage or the pool area." Lastly, there is Prof. Mike Rash's version which contradicts all three of the above versions. Rash is the President of the KGSBBS, but for some reason his version disagrees with Shuras' and Gascon's. His version is as follows: ( http://kgsbbs.com/_wsn/page9.html ) "Karazenpo Go Shinjutsu Hawaiian and Shaolin Kempo History from 1958 on. By Michael Rash The author of the United Martial Arts Association history page is a J. Madriaga. There have been some edits from the original found on Wikipedia. J. Madriaga uses the Gathering of the Eagles as a good reference point. At the Gathering of the Eagles Sonny Gascon was recognized as the founder of Karazenpo Go Shinjutsu. Every Senior Grandmaster in attendance recognized him as the founder of Karazenpo. To include the following to name a few. The host of the Gathering of Eagles Al Tracy 10th degree- of Tracy’s Kenpo System Adriano Emperado 10th Degree- Founder of Kajukenbo. Tino Tuiolosega 10th degree- Founder of Lima Lama Ralph Castro 10th degree- Founder Castro’s Shaolin Kenpo James Ibrao 10th degree- Founder five forms to black belt & Parkers first black belt Bill Ryusaki 10th degree- Founder Ryu Dojo Larry Tatum 10th degree- Founder Tatum’s Kenpo My apologies to those left out. There simply too many names to remember. If you read carefully Madriaga correctly states there were represenitives from Karazenpo and Godin’s school. This is a clear admission that they are in fact two separate schools. Madriaga states Bruce Corrigan was representing Karazenpo, again correct. Here is what Bruce Corrigan had to say to Sonny Gascon in this letter dated May 31, 1994 With your permission we would like to address you as SIJO which is the Chinese term for founder. We feel this is appropriate because you are the founder of our system, and the reason we have it to learn in the first place. This came to Sonny Gascon in a letter from Prof. Cerio just weeks before he passed away. I am building a dojo at my house. I want you to come and bless it. There will be a place for you next to Professor Chow and Ed Parker. J. Madriaga writes more “facts” that can be proven incorrectly very easily. Madriaga claims Walter Godin is the originator of our system, the patch and the Kata’s. I was a guest at Sijo Emperado’s 75th birthday party in Hawaii when Sonny Gascon talked with Walter Godin about using the Karazenpo name and logo on the Kajukenbo family tree instead of his own. Walter Godin in front of Phil Gelinas, the maker of the Kajukenbo family tree, myself, Andy Lee and a whole crowd of others stated Karazenpo was Sonny Gascon’s. Madriaga says Godin opened the Los Angeles studio. Wrong Godin was in Hawaii when Sonny Gascon opened the studio on 905 Victory Blvd. in Burbank California. Madriaga also states that it was Godin that made the patch with the likeness of Daruma. Bruce Corrigan wrote the following. In 1960 Gascon removed the Kajukenbo patch and replaced it with the Karazenpo patch. It was not by coincidence that the patch bore Daruma the founder of all martial arts. This was because Sonny subscribed to Daruma’s favorite saying. To fall 7 times, to rise 8 life starts now. In 1961 Sonny made a demonstration on Dick Clarks American Bandstand. Later Sijo Gascon summoned his brother in law Godin from the islands. Remember Sonny Gascon opened his school in 1960, Corrigan correctly wrote Godin came in 1961. Walter Godin was in California with Sonny Gascon only six weeks in 1961. Walter Godin returned to Hawaii in 1961 and opened in Kaimuki, later moved to Kakaako. After that he went to Johnson Island for about a year with Brother Abe Kamahoahoa. He later opened at the Palama Settlement where he taught until his passing. Walter Godin trained Eugene Sedeno a prominent Martial Artist here in California from 1962 until 1964 in Hawaii. Another Prominent Martial Artist Martin Buell trained with Walter Godin in the early 60’s in Hawaii. Buell received his black belt in 1966. Buell has the largest group of Kempo schools in Hawaii, Universal Kempo. Sonny Gascon broke off from Kajukenbo in 1958 opened his school in 1960 in Burbank California. Walter Godin was not there. According to J. Madriaga, Godin came out in 61 and left California in 69. Sonny Gascon and Godin’s students say Madriaga is wrong. George Pesare from Rhode Island credits Sonny Gascon as his only Kempo instructor. Mr. Pesare has never mentioned Godin as his teacher or to have ever learned a single form or self defense manuver from him. Richard “Limo” Tanaka confirms this as well. Richard Tanaka was there the entire time. The late Julian Generlao “Blue” was also there. He told me exactly the same thing. Walter Godin returned back to Hawaii and taught many famous people. Martin Buell (The largest Kempo schools in Hawaii- Universal Kempo) Eugene Sedeno (A Mitose student as well) John Hackleman (Chuck the “Iceman” Liddell’s teacher) As well as countless others. The history of Shaolin Kempo as written by this Madriaga person has been posted on the internet by the UMAA. The UMAA has listed it on search engines under Shaolin Kempo history. It can be found here. http://www.umaassociation.com/history.html Other mistakes in the “Matrix” on this page, there are too many to get to them all right now. Circle of the tiger was inspired by Sonny Gascon’s original #1 Kata Kata 6 is George Pesare’s creation from original techniques taught to him by Sonny Gascon. Kata 6 is not Cerio’s Circle of the Panther. Panther was Cerio’s version of another Pesare creation Kata #7. Fred Villari modified it and teaches it as Swift Tigers. The kicking sets? Notice the credit? As taught on the West coast by who? David Kamalani. Sonny Gascon has no recollection of him. Perhaps the Kamalani group could contact me or GM Gascon with some information. We welcome their input on this matter." So, did Gascon create Karazenpo by himself? Were Godin and Kamalani involved? When did he start teaching? 1958 or 1960? The Karazenpo lists as having begun in 1958, but now Prof. Rash says 1960? Very confusing stuff. The public would like to know the answer to these contradictions.