Hello all. I am new, so please be easy on me. I'm thinking of rounding out my game a bit more for self-defense. I've been looking at Judo because a lot of the throws lead to your opponent on the ground (with you standing and sometimes holding on to your opponent's arm). This gives you a lot of possibilities. Groin kick, head kick, as well as a fast arm bar since you are holding on to the arm. (Of course, you could also just run away and avoid harm for both you and your attacker.) Anyway, I remain skeptical of Judo. Why? 1. Judokas wear tough gis. The gi in Judo is tough and arguably makes tossing your opponent a lot easier. Considering that your opponent may be wearing a flimsy t-shirt, you may not generate enough leverage and torque from someone's t-shirt for the throw to be effective. Thoughts? 2. Clinching with your opponent Judo-style will get you punched in the face. Judo of course involves you holding on to your opponent's sleeve as well as their collar. This leaves your jaw exposed. Try throwing a guy when he is elbowing you in the face. 3. Judo nowadays is more of a sport than self-defense. - Is it perhaps best to avoid Judo? Is it perhaps better to focus on learning throws from kickboxing styles such as sweeps in Muay Thai and throws in Sanshou/Sanda? [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqCPn4-eB5A"]Muay Thai Sweeps And Throws Tribute - YouTube[/ame] [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBKJA4-fZbQ"]wushu SANDA sanshou - TAKEDOWNS (chinese kickboxing) - YouTube[/ame] BTW - please don't recommend BJJ over Judo. This is not a BJJ thread and I think BJJ is silly for self-defense - since both the full-guard and top mount positions expose you to groin shots. (And these defenses are bad. BJJ is fail. ---> [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxZKZsqWdFw"]Draculino BJJ - Provoking a Giant - Part 2 : Ball Grabbers - YouTube[/ame]) Let me know what you think!!