The only problem is that Escrima is thought only with Wing Tsun (Which some people consider unefective) and th rest are impossible to find here. My best bets (as far as i learned from here) are to learn Judo or BJJ with Kendo or to learn Hapkido/Ninjutsu =/
Where abouts are you based? As for Wing Tsun being ineffective, take that with a pinch of salt. Any art is only as good as the instructor teaching it. Do you have a link for the eskrima/WT club? They probably have seperate classes for each style and don't teach both together in the same class.
Judo dojo may or may not also do the goshin (self defense - unarmed vs unarmed, unarmed vs weapons) jutsu sections of the syllabus: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOn-o1Bl6zY"]Goshin-Jutsu, the good bits - YouTube[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4llpdgebIdY"]Goshin Jutsu Kata - YouTube[/ame] and besides that judo is awesome as a foundation for anything else.
Well, its in Turkish, and as i can see only the armed techniques of the Escrima are thought. Still here's the link: http://wingtsun-turkey.com
You don't have to spar to train well. There are other methods of pressure testing self defence techniques which may well be more appropriate for dealing with some of the more common attacks. Some form of sparring is useful to do from time to time, but I learned more about self defence from my non-sparring jujutsu than I ever did from judo, precisely because the training focused on dealing with common attacks rather than someone else trying to grab hold in a judo-esque manner and trying to throw me. Likewise BJJ is great for groundwork, but is over-specialised if you're looking for self-defence. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't hold my own against BJJers in groundwork, but I can fight better than most on the floor. I would simply be happy with a few groundwork training sessions a few times a year rather than all the time. I certainly don't like the attitude that there must be sparring for effective self defence. I think sparring can lead to effective self defence, but I more firmly believe that training high-pressured self defence drills with randomised attacks is at least as good in training the right reaction as long as you incorporate resistance from the attacker. The same applies to all forms of self defence without exception. Running is better than BJJ, Judo or karate, for example. However, if you're looking for arts that deal with defence from weapons once the situation is unavoidable, then modern jujutsu, krav maga, eskrima, kali, etc all have very in-depth training against weapon attacks.
Best bet is to go along to the classes your interested in and see which one you prefere. Also don't let what people on forums like this put you off looking at a martial art, make your own mind up don't let others do it for you.
Well i was thinking that before i even got here If i find Krav Maga here that is not 18+ and not solely for security personnel, i'll definately go there (Same applies for Eskrima, these 2 were what i originally thought "wow, that's what i want.") but as these aren't the oppurtunities right now, so that's why im in this forum in the first place.
Both of those involve 'alive' training, that's why, a lot of places won't do that, it's dead, choreographed training, with a limp partner. At least with sparring you are guaranteed alive training.
Well, that's debatable... I trained in a jujutsu class for a while that had sparring, but it was light contact point sparring with strikes or kicks to the legs and back banned, strikes to anywhere on the head other than the face banned, far more points awarded for a kick to the head than a punch to the temple, an immediate cessation of any striking as soon as any grab was initiated, points awarded for a good throw but with an immediate end to any groundwork, while groundwork was allowed to proceed only from a poor takedown. All in all it wasn't great training for self defence, just for getting better at that sort of fighting. I learned more out of the self defence drills we did there. Likewise with judo randori and BJJ rolling: each gets you good at that particular game, and indirectly it makes self defence easier, but neither on its own teaches a full self defence system. Please don't think I'm knocking either of these arts, I think they're fantastic for specialising in certain areas of fighting which are important to a well-rounded training routine, but either art on its own will be sorely lacking a lot of techniques. As such, I prefer something like modern jujutsu as a core art, bolting specialisms on to it as and when required.
Cessation upon grabbing...but kicks to the head? in jujutsu? Odd definition there I agree, that sounds awful, but hopefully sparring that's as restricted as that is rare.
Thats what I was thinking as I was making a bacon sarnie, they help me think... The silly thing is, if the grappling skills are there in the club, then it makes sense to allow it to go to grappling upon a grab, but it rather sounds like they were actually counting points? In which case it gets confusing.to score I suppose...
I think the points went something like: 1 point for a strike to the body (light contact) 1 point for a backfist to the temple 2 points for a kick to the temple 3 points for a pretty good throw 5 points for a very good throw 0 points for a "messy" takedown + continuation to groundwork 3 points for a pin for 20 seconds 5 points for a submission Each time points are awarded the fight has to be restarted, so no striking to the body, grabbing hold for a good throw following into a submission, for example. 10 points to win...
So did anyone ever score a submission? It seems impossible, since to get those points means going through one of the above, after which the fight is stopped... And as for 0 points for a messy takedown, well, that's life at times....
Yep, submissions happened, just not very often because the time allowed on the floor was minimal unless "progress was being made". You essentially had to do a messy takedown (i.e. not the equivalent of an ippon or waza-ari in Judo) to be allowed to continue into groundwork, and from that point would have about 20 seconds to gain an advantage, which is usually not enough if the opponent simply tries for a stalemate.
if you want an allround system Traditional jujutsu (it may includ weapons, although there is a slim chance, because it was invented for when you didnt have a weapon) is your ONLY choice out of the three.Traditional Jujutsu will give you those locks your looking for and obviously how to get out of them aswell (even though you may only learn them latter on). if your looking for something that is only on the ground then bjj, and if you want strong throws then its good ol' Judo. Jujustu is the base for both judo and bjj, so if you like it old school (a.k.a deadly as it can get) then go with Traditional. judo and Bjj were both invented for sporting purposes, jujutsu was invented as a military combat system.
However most of what is taught as traditional jujutsu, is a mixture taken from judo, aikido and karate, with some poor non-mainland japanese weaponry added on top. The best thing is to see whats available. Judo is a great base from which to start.
I know that's true in the UK but Turkey? Isn't there a Turkish knife fighting system anywhere? Must be, Turkey has a big tradition with knives. Maybe looking closer to home is what the O/P needs to do.
not to argue but as I said it all depends on what your looking for. if you are into the sport side then Judo is probably the best you can go with ( or is excellent for a base as you said) BUT if your into the martial side then even if it is a mixture of karate, judo and aikido it is still better because it covers eveything.
