I don't know where to start on this, or whether it's even worth bothering with. Not everybody who trains in Karate just trains by kicking and punching the air and punching from the hip. It's depends on the school, some schools turn out karateka who can whoop ass. I would have let this one pass if you hadn't used wing chun as an example which is most definitely not "circular" by anybody's definition. Define "powerful" So after less than two years kung fu I am able to destroy any karateka who challenge me, in less than six seconds. Even if they have been training full contact for the last ten years. Cool. Cool, I can beat anyone who does TKD as well, even olympic champions. So are these "ridiculous" styles still "th3 d33dly" enabling you to flatten TKD olympic gold medalists after just a few weeks of training? This is basically kung fu nutriding. It's this sort of ridiculous drivel that damages the image of Chinese martial arts. Do not doubt that there are very capable fighters at the top of any martial art you care to mention who would be able to hand you your "d33dly" kung fu ass on a plate.