... when rolling in your class. I wish that more people would realise this. This rant comes off my just getting elbowed repeatedly in the ribs and a conversation with some female players. I'm training mostly no-gi just now and when we roll in class I see that most of the blokes there are 'there to win'. Whilst a commendable attitude (I mean, who wants to lose?), I can't help but think going out and doing only the things you are good at, is stunting the growth of you AND your training partner. What happened to me. I got muscled into a bad postion by a heavier, stronger opponent (my bad, I know). He's got a cray hybrid side control/north south going on and goes for the chicken wing/kimura/figure 4/whatever. I see this coming so grab my own shorts waist band. He can't get the lock so trys to smash my wrist into the mat repeatedly to break the grip with his weight. This results in each time he does this, elbowing my in the ribs with his body weight: UGAHH! I say and not by choice. Twice this happens, I tell him to 'Chill' it happens a few more time, he's paying no heed to me, so I tap out and start explaining what he'd been doing. So many guys, once they have (what they think) is the lock, will hunt it remorselessly. While this can be a good attribute in some cases, in this one my ribs disagree (I seem to get elbowed/knee'd/punched more in sub than I do at MT ). The women I was talking to were feeling quite down about a similar set of circumstances. When they roll with men (which is most of the time), the guys just brute them into submission, no technique, just weight and strength. Whenever I roll with a woman (or a smaller bloke for that matter) who is of equal or lesser skill, I try not to play 'the weight game'. I feel this helps both of us to improve (and has led to me getting tapped by girls but so what!). When playing with superior skilled males/females I do use my weight/strength as this is an attribute that I have. What I'm trying to get at, is why can't alot of people let go and try something else (when they aren't getting anywhere)? The 'must win at all costs' attitude in the gym is a bad one I think. Please discuss.