It's All About the Strength

No, (5.23 - 5.30) is not it.

 

ok this topic is getting a bit out of hand

 

Now I start to wonder whether you even understand the meaning of those words. Old Chinese saying said, "When your give your opponent space, either force him or bait him to step into that space while you are not there, that's lead him into the emptiness." Old Chinese saying even give a general name for that and that's "dog eat daffoldils."

 

This is the first time I have ever done this ...

but,

Mods, do we REALLY need to keep flogging this dead horse. I mean I don't like horses, but, well...

paul

 

Actually, using skill makes you a worse martial artist, because it means you can't make use of as much of your strength, so there we go, can we drop this?

 

Ya right, I see the problem' , if that video is an example of how you train, you will have a very hard time getting past first level of development.

I have had students that trained that way and it does not lead any ware. The moves usually only work if the opponent lets you do it to them or you get lucky, and does not develop you to move past body level application or self development.

If you ever meet someone that it is integrated , none of those moves will work on them. Now you want to know what integrated means, well unless you have it or feel it, words won't mean much trying to explain it to you.

Cheers

 

could you please explain these levels of development and what field of study the theories behind them originate from?

 

Hey Simon,

I missed your last post, just took a look at it, the description given their are just tactics training, O K. For timing development and application , a lot better than the video by you know.

The body integration I am refereeing to is needed for any of those application to be applied efficiently.

To develop body integration you need an interactive feedback loop with a partner that allows reprogramming the bodies response to external pressures.

Some styles have routines that will do this, tai-chi has some if done correctly will develop this, wing chun has chi Sao which if done correctly can give some feedback but is limited in its full body development, Yi Quan has some routiines that provide feedback too.

Once you get the body integration, all techniques will work, style is not important,... at that point, they are just kind of like expressions of your
personality.

Is that what you want ?,I can't explain how to do each set up, it takes books for that and hands on correction.

PS The feedback loop needs to be a constant unbroken connection.

Cheers

 

You have mentiones the following styles that have "body integration" training:

- Taiji
- WC
- Yi Quan

Which style do you train? Who is your teacher?

 

If you can only knock your opponent down when he advances (A + B > A), but you can't knock him down when he retreats (A - B < A), your punch (A) is not strong enough.

Only when you don't have enough, you will need to borrow. Does Bill Gates need to go to bank to apply for loan? Of course not. Why? Because he doesn't have to. He has enough. This is such a simple logic that anybody with 20 IQ will be able to understand. Continue to argue on this "simple" subject is indeed an insult on our intellegency.

I agree that we need to drop this. Everything needed to be said, had been said.

 

Sparring?

 

Just ask Brock Lesnar.

Ok in all seriousness I agree with Hannibal when he stated...

That pretty much sums up strength for the most part in this respect.

In my opinion of course.

With that said power comes from good technique also, so being strong physically doesn't mean someone will automatically win over someone who isn't. I'm physically stronger than quite a few guys in my gym but they can all mostly kick harder than me because they know how to kick properly and have better conditioning on their striking areas, whereas I'm still learning the correct techniques. Once I learn and have trained my kicks then it may be a different story.

 

Sparring is like testing, good for feedback of your ability of application ,but not good for reprogramming the body mind mistakes, sparring teaches you more of how to hide your weaknesses not fix them.

That video you posted does not work.

Cheers

PS. I am not saying strength does not work, if you don't have body integration to counter strength, then strength will dominate.

So if you have strength and body integration, that is better yet.

 

I told you he was a chunner.

 

Depends on if you have an intelligent approach to your sparring. For example http://www.caneprevost.com/2012/04/12/how-to-be-a-great-mediocre-bjj-student/

 

Where do you live?

 

Again same question.

 

What does that have to do with discussion ?.

I am not close to the UK.