ITA (International Taekwondo Alliance)

Discussion in 'Tae Kwon Do' started by ClumsyFoot, Nov 12, 2003.

  1. stoneheart

    stoneheart Valued Member

    I understand you have alternate names for the forms, like "water" form, etc. I think this is a good idea. If your students ever competed in an open tournament, can you imagine the confusion if they announced they were doing Do-San or Hwa-rang and yet performed them very differently from what an outside judge expected?

    Thanks for the reply and good luck with your school.
  2. neryo_tkd

    neryo_tkd Valued Member

    are there any competitors at your school? do they train in the same way/amount?
  3. tkdbb3

    tkdbb3 Valued Member

    all tounament are closed(only ITA schools compete) so everyone is doing the same style... i dont really care for the names, i am glad they didnt keep the Chang hon names... but i'm still not calling them the water form, or what ever ...a little to cheesy for my taste... with all the things the ITA has changed the one thing they have not is the network of really great instrucors and school owners. my instrucor for example has 7 schools in Alabama and Mississippi region and has 26 of his students who have went out and opened schools of their own. its not very hard to get a question answered.
  4. neryo_tkd

    neryo_tkd Valued Member

    but you haven't answered my question. i can't believe that a competitor can be well prepared with 45 min classes, for local tournaments yes/maybe, but for high level tournaments no way.

    and the number of school opened does not mean anything. everyone can opena school nowadays, both good and bad.
  5. tkdbb3

    tkdbb3 Valued Member

    for a high level tounament , no it takes more time... but for most of my students they have no intentions of doing this. they want a great workout and to learn how to defend themselves. tournaments are great dont get me wrong but you cant base your school on them. IHMHO
  6. Alexander

    Alexander Possibly insane.

    Out of interest what are the alternative names?
  7. tkdbb3

    tkdbb3 Valued Member

    White belt – Seedform
    Yellow Belt – Sun Form
    Plant Form – Green Belt
    Blue Belt – Water Form
    Brown Belt – Earth Form
    Red Belt – Fire Form
    Black Belt – Sky Form – 1st, L 1&2 – Gwang Gae
    Tiger Form; Ho-Am 1st, L3+4 (Ge-Baek)
    Oak tree form; 2nd L1+2 (Yoo-Sin)
    Eagle Form; 2nd L3+4 (Ul-Ji)
    Ocean form 3rd L1+2 (Choong-Jang)
    River Form; 3rd L3+4 (Juche)
    Bear Form; 4th and Sr. 4th (Choi-Yong)
    Mountain Form; 5th and Sr. 5th (Moon-Moo)
  8. kwang gae

    kwang gae 광개 Sidekick Specialist

    Just curious Neryo, how long are your classes? Our school has a variety of class lengths on the schedule, the shortest being a 30 minute sparring session, and the longest being a 60 minute class. Most class times are 45 minutes, and most students take 2 classes back to back 2 or 3 times a week.
  9. stoneheart

    stoneheart Valued Member

    I am not Neryo, but I recently started teaching TKD at a community center. My classes are 1.5 hrs 3 times a week, and there are strict attendence requirements for promotion. I explain to my students that it's like college in some respects. Not only do you have to come to class, but you're expected to spend 2x the amount you are in class practicing on your own, if you expect to improve and excel at the art.

    If you're just marking time, that's fine, but you won't be promoted unless you are making progress. Admittedly I am not making any money out of this deal, so I don't have to compromise on my standards.
  10. tkdbb3

    tkdbb3 Valued Member

    so the only way to make money is to comprimise your standards???

    as for my school, my students must attend at least 24 classes per testing cycle to test... and like i tell them that's the min. and min.actions get min. results... most attend around 30 per testing cycle which works out to about 23 hours of class... which is about the same is if i did 2 1.5 hour classes per week. but to each there own.
  11. stoneheart

    stoneheart Valued Member

    I do think it's harder to keep standards if profitability is a need. Again, I don't mean to be offensive. I've stated above why I don't like short classes. You are apparently doing well with your approach and that's great. It's just not the path I choose to take, and I don't believe this is just a potato, potatoe situation. Some pedagogical approaches ARE better.
  12. neryo_tkd

    neryo_tkd Valued Member

    our classes last and hour and a half. competitors' training even 2 hours.

    ok, you don't need to have competitors, but even if i took tkd only for a good work out 45 min would not be enough for me.
  13. Captain-Kick

    Captain-Kick Valued Member

    Hi all

    It is amazing what you can find on the internet!

    I was reading this discussion on the ITA when I stumbled across the name Mr Greenaway.

    Well just to make things clear that is me!!!

    I want to say a few words regarding this topic as I find it very interesting. For those people that have left the ITA, all I can say is you made the right choice.

    Firstly what the Incredible bulk said was pretty much correct apart from the fact that I wasnt kicked out. I left of my own accord, I guess the ITA had to say that they kicked me out to let other instructors know that if they disagree with something, you better keep your mouth shut.

    There were lots of things I disliked about the ITA

    1. Poor standard, the standard was truly rubbish and this was because certain schools in England and America just tested people to get their money.

    2. The "Masters of the Round table" as they liked to call themselves made all the decisions, these people messed around with everything and it had a bad effect on my students.

    3. My instructor Brian Mitchelmore could'nt really give a damn anymore and wasnt leading the ship in the right direction. He is Bert Kollars puppet.

    4. They are totally money grabbing and in love with there own legend.

    I really could keep going but i fear I may were my keyboard out!

    If there is anyone that wants to discuss anything about the ITA please let me know!

    Just to finish with, there are some excellent martial artists in the ITA. Rick Hall, james Bailey, jason griffin to name just a few. The problem is that I feel everyone is scared to voice there opinion on changes to the cirriculum which coincidently was the very reason i fell out with Bert Kollars. i'm not here to bash them in anyway but I feel they need to be exposed for what they really are, I believe in time they will destroy them selves.

    Train hard everyone and I look forward to hearing some responses.


    Stephen Greenaway
  14. Rob T.

    Rob T. Valued Member


    Hmmmm, I might be wrong but it seems you're not that keen on the ITA - it was subtle but I picked up on it. :D

    What are you doing now? Have you joined another org or are you staying independent?

  15. Incredible Bulk

    Incredible Bulk Eat-Lift-Eat-Sleep-Grow


    Great to see you here, i last saw you in Cowplain nearly 2 years ago when you gave fishburn (3rd degree) a nice shiner after he took a liberty while you knee was recovering.

    What i typed was what i was fed from my experiances at the club, what was fed to me at Cowplain school and by other people.
    Sorry i got it wrong, i should of known better.... it was by text message am i right?

    I was saddened by what happened to the Chichester school and Chris, and clare are great people.

    I cant believe you found this place but glad you are here again.
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2007
  16. Incredible Bulk

    Incredible Bulk Eat-Lift-Eat-Sleep-Grow

    i've changed my user name but i am TKD-GUY :)

    The sparring gear annoyed me, especially when they made you do push ups/squat thrusts etc with it all on.... it used to tear it up a treat.
    After 2 months you had a new friend in red electrical tape to patch it all up :rolleyes:

    ITA love gradings, as long as you know the form and can flop through it, throw a few spin kicks and'll pass.
    Belts are on the right, please pay on the left.
  17. Captain-Kick

    Captain-Kick Valued Member

    Yes I think the ITA have tried to do a big cover up on what really happened, I dont really care though, its just a shame alot of students wasted there hard earned money on them.

    Its a shame that Chris left, but again he definetly made the right choice. You may not be aware but Mr Hall from Basingstoke and Mr Bailey From southhamton have also left. Like I said they are destroying themselves but it serves them right.

    LOL did they say it was by text message, how funny! I sent them an email telling them I had left.

    I would be very interested to chat on private message about the ITA my email is <email removed>


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  18. Incredible Bulk

    Incredible Bulk Eat-Lift-Eat-Sleep-Grow

    Cheers for the email, i got it before the link was deleted

    The decline of the ITA in england
  19. echolstkd

    echolstkd New Member

    so when did y'all leave the ITA?
  20. Incredible Bulk

    Incredible Bulk Eat-Lift-Eat-Sleep-Grow

    where are you from?

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