So as not to derail the other thread any further here is a brand new sparkling thread specifically dedicated to discussing the Garden of Eden story. Now... to respond to the parts of my post that Capt Ann took issue with: According to the bible they ate from a tree that gave them knowledge of good and evil because a snake/serpent tricked silly old Eve. There seems to be an inherent contradiction in saying that this story does not condemn people thinking for themselves and then in the same breath saying we aren't allowed to use our intelligence to decide on what is right and wrong. Not to mention that if this was the tree that gave knowledge of good and evil prior to that event they couldn't have known that what they were doing was wrong or evil as to do something wrong you need to have the concept of wrong and right which according to the bible they didnt have until they ate from the tree. The point was that according to the story adam and eve were all set to live forever after they ate from the tree of life but it was precisely because of the serpent and eating the other fruit that they were denied this. Gods decision to banish them and their offspring (i.e. the human race) from the garden and not let them eat the fruit that would have allowed them to live forever eventually resulted in millions of humans being sent to hell (if the bible is to be believed). Emm... well he got pretty ****ed with the snake and if he wasn't angry then giving women incredible pain in child birth, kicking adam and eve both out of paradise and condemning the whole human race to suffer death rather than live forever was a bit odd. The overall point Im making which you have still failed to sufficiently address however is that if God is omnipotent and omniscent as I believe many Christians argue then he is responsible for causing mans downfall. He set up the garden (it even says he planted it!) and presumably he made the talking snake and the tree... why did he do that if he wanted man to not make the error? It doesn't make sense unless aside from being all powerful and all knowing he is also all incompetent.