is jujitsu a samaurai kinda art

Discussion in 'Ju Jitsu' started by small guy, Jan 14, 2004.

  1. small guy

    small guy New Member

    i just joined a jujitsu+kobudo club and am still a noob but my friend said something about it being the art of the samaurai
     
  2. Aegis

    Aegis River Guardian Admin Supporter

    Not THE art, but certainly AN art of the samurai. First and foremost they would have learned weapons (katana and dai-kyu spring to mins, sword and longbow). They would have learned other skills associated with war too, and jujutsu in its initial form would have been in the "last resort" category, for when a samurai was forced to fight without weapons.
     
  3. SoKKlab

    SoKKlab The Cwtch of Death!

    Certainly the Kumi-Uchi core of the art may well of been for Grappling in Armour.

    As a Ju Jitsu practitioner, I find it difficult to except that all of it was something to do with the Samurai, Warfare etc.

    In fact most of Ju Jitsu seems to be very much in the Civil Tradition and I've had some exposure in one form or another to over thirty systems of Japanese Ju Jitsu now, including many Ko-Ryu (Pre 1883 systems).

    As Aegis said 'in its initial form'.
     
  4. Montrose

    Montrose New Member

    There are many different styles of ju-jitsu that have evolved over the years some specializing in various aspects such as judo (throwing and blance breaking) or Brazilian Ju Jitsu = ground fighting for example.

    Initially Aiki-ju-jutsu was a style developed to aid a Samurai after losing his sword in close quarters combat, using armbars, and joint locks or nerve strikes to controle the opponents sword arm and disarm him or face a certain quick death. That is my understanding of how ju-jutsu (or ju jitsu depending on which term you prefer) began. Certainly all of ju-jitsu we have today wasnt part of that original art. Some police styles and methods also developed from early ju-jitsu. Do some research and see if you can find "Police Jiu-Jitsu" by Louis Shamer, 1937. It is available in some libraries and is catloged on the library of congress but I dont have the ISBN number.
     
  5. TheMachine

    TheMachine Valued Member

    good posts. Jujitsu is one complete art that also includes striking as well
     
  6. Yukimushu

    Yukimushu MMA addict

    I once read that traditionally, the philosophy behind ju-jitsu is to conquer an opponent by any and all means - as long as minimal force only is used.

    Ju-jitsu was first practised by the japanese samurai, followed by the ninja.
     
  7. Archibald

    Archibald A little koala

    Ooh, Yukimushu...was that from a book called "The guide to Karate: Aikido, Jujitsu, Judo?

    I bought that before i started martial arts, to try and find one that i liked. I was really looking for the most efficient sounding one, and it was the line that said "The original art focused on completely annihilating an opponent", that made me choose jujitsu....im sick, i know. That is of course assuming it was the same book, hehe. It's a good one, anyway.

    And to answer small guys question, yes jujitsu was originally used by the samurai, though its actual origins are a bit cloudy, and depends on the style.

    Ciao for now
     
  8. Yukimushu

    Yukimushu MMA addict

    No, not that book... it's called " The ultimate book of martial arts ", hehe na im not sick :) just a normal guy who wants to feed his animal cravings of fighting...

    hehe :)
     
  9. Aegis

    Aegis River Guardian Admin Supporter

    If it's the one by Fay Goodman, she's an instructor of mine ;)
     
  10. Archibald

    Archibald A little koala

    Thats the one Aegis! I didn't know she was an instructor.
    Because of the layout of the book, i assume dit was like...a series...guides to many things, and fay goodman was just the author of them...
    What art/s does she teach?

    "just a normal guy who wants to feed his animal cravings of fighting..."

    Shh...dont tell anyone..... ;)
     
  11. Aegis

    Aegis River Guardian Admin Supporter

    Well she teaches ME Iaido, and also has fairly high ranks in a few other arts, I think Judo and Jujutsu are among them. Nothing but respect for her Iaido skill, never seen her train in the others so can't comment (I know she teaches self defence to various large companies in Birmingham though, so she must be pretty good :)). As far as the books go, I think she writes the iaido stuff and has experts in their own field either demonstrate and have her write, or write loads and she condenses it. I've never asked that, though she did seem happy when I said I'd read one of her books :)

    Next time I see her I'll mention that she was discussed online :D
     
  12. Tatsumaru

    Tatsumaru Your new God!

    I was taught that although Jujitsu was practiced by the samurai it was also often used against them. Almost any move you can think of in Jujitsu can be done against a weapon strike and generally they are against straight swords such as the samurai used. For example, a half shoulder throw; try it against a simple horizontal cut from a bokken. Step forward and cross block against the arm, then perform the throw. Should end up with maimed opponent and sword either fallen from his hands or pointed away from you.
     
  13. Yukimushu

    Yukimushu MMA addict


    Hehe yeah, she's done the book ive got :) tell her it a good book; very insightful and informative!!! hehe ;)
     
  14. Archibald

    Archibald A little koala

    aha, sounds good....to bad there wasnt any Iaido in the book, that would have been awesome, heh. And yes, she sounds very impressive. Tell her from me also that the book was very interesting and useful, hehe. Thanks

    Ciao for now
     
  15. Yukimushu

    Yukimushu MMA addict

    Iaido is in the book ive got by fay goodman.
     
  16. Archibald

    Archibald A little koala

    Hmm....wasn't in mine...maybe she's written several books, hehe.
     
  17. Aegis

    Aegis River Guardian Admin Supporter

    She has, I've seen a few of them on sale and have even flicked through a couple... Haven't bought any as yet, as I much prefer art-specific books and have only seen the "overview" style of book so far. If I see one she's written about iaido I'll probably go for it.

    But then I'm not that into martial art books in general :)
     
  18. Archibald

    Archibald A little koala

    Aha, bow down to Archies phsycic powers......heh, jk of course.
    Yea,mim not really into martial art books either, but i bought this one when i was deciding which one to take up, so yes.
     
  19. Bulldog

    Bulldog New Member

    Upon my research and study...jujutsu is one of the samurai arts.
    Many of the "cuts" used in swordship is identical to the "cuts" used in jujutsu. Basically, the samurai learned weapons first. And all of the moves incorporated to mastering weapons translated easily to an open handed application...

    I'm no Japanese history scholar and I'm probably not explaining this very well...I may have to ask my Sensei to dictate to me his explanations and knowledge. He's been to Japan numerous times and trained primarily in the "samurai" or traditional arts of Japan/Okinawa.
     
  20. Sub zero

    Sub zero Valued Member

    the stuff about the cutting is right on target. But the different samurai schools had unarmed arts and training before they specialised with the sword.Back in ye olde, olde dasy when the bow and arrow was the samurasi weapon of choice.
     

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