Is bjj a form of budo?

Discussion in 'Brazilian Jiu Jitsu' started by Vinny Lugo, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. The Iron Fist

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    Bu do = martial way

    Similar to how

    Ju do = gentle way

    Bu do does not solely mean Japanese arts. The ideogram does not even include anything specific to Japan.
     
  2. The Iron Fist

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    Yes, all martial arts are bu do. There's nothing specific to a country or nationality in the script.

    武 = martial
    道 = the way
     
  3. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    (cue argument about "bu jutsu" from online snobs....)
     
  4. The Iron Fist

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    Well that logic applies to 'judo' then. I don't see any problem withing bu do, or the Chinese equivalent, wu dao.
     
  5. The Iron Fist

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    The classic logical argument for this is summed up in Chandler's joke from Friends.

    "Chinese food...or as the Chinese call it..."food""
     
  6. Dead_pool

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    Judo is a Japanese art, so the logic doesnt apply.
     
  7. bassai

    bassai onwards and upwards ! Moderator Supporter

    I don't really see your point , Judo is Japanese wrestling , wrestling from other parts of the world has different names.
     
  8. bassai

    bassai onwards and upwards ! Moderator Supporter

    But , it's food from China , so describing it as Chinese food is perfectly logical.
     
  9. The Iron Fist

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    Udon (饂飩) is just a noodle, not a Japanese noodle.

    Japanese call it udon, non-Japanese get to choose the Japanese name (udon) or their own.

    It's just a thick noodle made from wheat flour (not 'Japanese' flour)
     
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  10. The Iron Fist

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    Judo does not mean "Japanese wrestling". You're confusing the literal meaning with your own description of what it includes. The truth is "Japanese wrestling" includes many other arts, like shooto (which actually comes from English).

    Bu do, likewise, is an extremely broad, and undefined term, so it describes practically any kind of martial discipline.

    Again, all you have to do is look at the fact that words don't come from Japan. It is the Japanese form of Chinese terms, in fact. Thus bo du is the Japanese way of describing the entire pantheon of Chinese martial arts too.
     
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  11. baby cart

    baby cart Valued Member

    so all martial arts are wushu (aka bujutsu when read in japanese kanji)?
     
  12. Dead_pool

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    If I'm non Japanese, and buy a noodle in the EU made by another non japanese person/company, why would we call it Udon (饂飩), when its just a noodle, not a japanese noodle.
     
  13. bassai

    bassai onwards and upwards ! Moderator Supporter

    No , judo means "gentle way" , so by your definition , can I call my Ford a Rolls Royce ? they do the same thing.
     
  14. The Iron Fist

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    It depends on the definition of wu shu that you use.

    There is a colloqial definition (as in 'sport wushu') a 20th century term, and a far, older definition, wu shu, "martial technique" which aligns with bu jutsu.
     
  15. The Iron Fist

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    If you wanted to impress a cute girl with your knowledge of Japanese.

    "In Japan, they call this 'udon'".
     
  16. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Wrong - they also call them "ramen" , "somen"and "soba".... :D
     
  17. The Iron Fist

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    No I don't think so.

    "ju do" will always mean "gentle way", literally. We both know it specifically means a type of Japanese martial art.

    "bu do" is the descriptive term for ALL martial disciplines (in the Japanese language...it doesn't mean just Japanese arts, and the Japanese could use the term to describe almost anything).

    It's pretty simple to prove this....the term 武道 is not ''Japanese' at all, folks. It's Chinese.
     
  18. bassai

    bassai onwards and upwards ! Moderator Supporter

    But , it's a Japanese description , and it's common use has come to mean something pretty specific , so describing a martial art that doesn't come from Japan as budo is pretty pointless , hence my Ford Rolls Royce analogy.
     
  19. The Iron Fist

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    It's not Japanese (bu do). It's the Japanese version of a Chinese term describing ALL martial art. Every single one.
     
  20. bassai

    bassai onwards and upwards ! Moderator Supporter

    In what Way ?
     

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