I was "attacked" last night and.....

Discussion in 'Self Defence' started by semphoon, Nov 28, 2004.

  1. Scarlet Mist

    Scarlet Mist Banned Banned


    If your dad was a police man I am sure that you would rather him hit some guy on the head than have some two bit criminal but four slugs in him. The police must protect themselves because criminals want to kill them.
     
  2. Dr NinjaBellydance

    Dr NinjaBellydance What is your pleasure sir

    Hmmmmm.... nice...*starts running* ;)
    I live in Gorgie, which is ok, but I teach bellydancing classes in Wester Hailes and next year I move out to the new hospital at Little France with my work, neither of which are a bundle of laughs to get home from alone in the dark.:(
    But as you said, sometimes you cant avoid the unpleasant areas.:rolleyes:
     
  3. masteryoursoul

    masteryoursoul New Member

    k

    "For the bjjers out there, how would they have dealt with the situation? I mean against multiple opponents in self defense. I imagine that you would not go to ground. So you would strike instead."

    I think in a situation like this if you solely train BJJ you would be in a bit of trouble. You just have to make sure you don't get tied up with anyone. Do quick buckles, and assuming you are trained in this field, and the conflict escalates to the point where it is Necessary to do so, break some limbs.

    But this question is a perfect example as to why all MA practicioners looking to train for purposes of self defense should train in both a striking art and a grappling art.

    My suggestion to thsi combination would be Muay Thai and BJJ. The quick strikes and close strikes of Muay Thai allow you to fight well in close situations, and seeing as most reality fioghts WILL end up on the ground, BJJ is a wonderful art to assimilate yourself with.
     
  4. NaughtyKnight

    NaughtyKnight Has yellow fever!

    Hi,
    I find that the best tecnique to use in a street fight is a very hard hit to the chin. This causes the opponents nervoursystem to shut down and causes immediate unconsousness. This is pretty much the only technique you need to know, dont bother with grappling or fly kicking, they are just soo hard to do in a street fight. If you have ever been in one then you will know what i mean. You are so scared that you hesitate and you cant think what to use. Im not saying that grappling isnt a very good technique but i find that its too hard to remeber how to do any of them when Im in fear for my life. Your fists are much easier to use when in this situation because they are a natural movement, grapling is not.
     
  5. JKD_forever

    JKD_forever DEADLIFT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Even better is clean slap of hand to one's ear, which will overload brain with too much sensory information which will bring it to shut-down-like state.
    Also, it is much less risky, because you can't break plam as easily as you can closed fist.
    That said JKD offers solution to evrything.
    P.S. Double slaping someone with both hands works like sarm in a bar, plus it looks really really cool :D
     
  6. BackFistMonkey

    BackFistMonkey Valued Member

    yeah its shuts down the brain .. via hemorging .. umm you bust the ear drum if you land that solidly I dont recomend it unless your life was threatend . Same for targets like the throat and spinal cord . A ridge hand or knife hand to the side of the throat below the ear works pretty good , will not break your knuckles and doesnt have disadvantage of having to pay the attacker for his hearing or possibly paying his/her family for taking his/her life . But it does has the disadantage of paying for their jaw to be wired it you break the hinge :)

    These problems are exactly why I am taking Hapikido for self defense .. its completely scaleable .. from like submission/escorting techniques to "rip their hand off and hand it to them techniques' Hapkido does a good job of teaching you when and how to apply each level of force and when to use your : striking skills , grappling skills , submission skills, kicking skills , and of course your "legging it " ( hauling butt ) skills .


    Semphoon,

    You did a great job . No overkill , nice calm reasoning , good application of force * shrugs * .

    Be well and Train hard

    BackFist Monkey
     
  7. cj256

    cj256 Valued Member

    yeah we train a double eardrum slap in jkd but its used in conjunction with an eye gouge which then has a complete grip on the head for butting kneeing etc ....very nasty and only for big trouble in little china!!! :eek:
     
  8. Matt_Bernius

    Matt_Bernius a student and a teacher

    Actually it's a realitively low impact technique. Burst ear drums are in no way life threatening. And infact they will heal over time. However, they will definitely cause a good deal of pain and disorientation when they occur.

    There's no reason to classify them in the same category as blows to the throat.

    For more information on burst ear drums check out this link:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_doctor/eardrum_perforated.shtml

    - Matt
     
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2004
  9. JKD_forever

    JKD_forever DEADLIFT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Let me tell you something,
    if someone attacks me after being warned three times not to do it,
    legal issue is the last thing in my mind. In other words, i don't give a damn.
    Shampoon,
    if i was there i would beet the crapout of those kids, they would never ever ever never ever think about doing it to someone else again.
     
  10. Knight_Errant

    Knight_Errant Banned Banned

    Is it reeeeally THAT naughty? I've had this landed on me a number of times and I never felt anything more than mildly peeved.
     
  11. alex_000

    alex_000 You talking to me?

    Not only in a street fight. If people didn't have chins modern boxing wouldn't exist :D
     
  12. masteryoursoul

    masteryoursoul New Member

    Hmmm

    I don't mean to be negative, but this is an example of either; you have failed to train properly, have been taught improperly, or have not reached a level where your art is natural.

    SD arts should never be anything you have to think through to save yourself. All SD MA teachers bear it in my mind that things happen quickly and your thought process is mainly composed of "OH dear, OH dear".

    It is specifically for this reason that it is important that SD teachers emphasize constant reality based training so you will have less of the 'OH dear me factor' and more consciousness. All basic SD should be muscle memory/reflex like movements that your body will initiate in times of stress. If you have these basics concepts down, these kind of reflexes that keep you out of harms way, then it is the time where you can move through a slight thinking process, which should still be mostly subconscious, and move onto the counter-offensive.

    In other words; SD should be like walking. You shouldn't have to think about it, you should do it. Most time punches take about .3 seconds to hit you after being thrown. Your thinking process of 'what do I do' will take about that long, assuming your mind is moving quickly and your are calm in this situation. If you have to stop and think you're already hit.
     
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  13. BackFistMonkey

    BackFistMonkey Valued Member

    I am not perfect ... I was under the impression it was a VERY naughty thing to do unless you REALLY mean it becouse of the permament damage death factor ... * frown * now I feel cheated . I havent used this technique for that reason . Are you sure it heals if you get a good seal and rupture that puppy ? I always thought the brain hemorage was a little unlikely but I try to play safe not sorry .

    * reads link *
    Well now dont I feel sheepish ...

    BackFistMonkey ( baaaaaa )
     
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2004
  14. Florida Warlock

    Florida Warlock Banned Banned

    Like all the users in the posts I've read, you did the right thing.

    Except I don't take ANY crap from ANYONE and I'd have taken the guy that you you down and his friends down with his sorry ass. They wouldn't have the chance to come back. I'm not a nice person when my 'personal space' is invaded :p
    Here's a replay of the situation if it were me(you can tell who is who :) ):

    :Angel:
    :cool: :mad: :mad: :mad:
    :yeleyes: :cry: :cry: :cry:
     
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2004
  15. JKD_forever

    JKD_forever DEADLIFT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thats way too much icons in one post
    lmao
     
  16. Karate_Man_1288

    Karate_Man_1288 New Member

    I believe you handled it very well. It is good (since your a boxer) you didnt punch, because you could have seriously hurt someone. I think that you werent wrong in not leaving, but you are fortunate the police showed up, because if they got composed and attacked, you might not have held back, and someone could have ended up in the hospital.
     
  17. semphoon

    semphoon walk idiot, walk.

    I'm glad that I didn't have to use what I know. I had tried to avoid confrontation but after I kicked "the touch paper had been lit" and there was no way out without somebody getting hurt (unless the police came :p)

    If I was in this situation again I would definetly have struck first. What if the guy who punched me had a knife?...I don't think I would have been able to take that on the chin :D
     
  18. Solomon

    Solomon Valued Member

    props to keeping your composure, after getting hit, that woulda sparked me.

    ambulance much? : )
     
  19. Yossarian75

    Yossarian75 New Member

    A question for the Edinburgers, whats Pilton really like? Im moving back to Edinburgh some time this year and ive been offered a room in Pilton. I have heard in the past that its really dodgy.
     
  20. semphoon

    semphoon walk idiot, walk.

    Pilton is nice. There is a large park/common so you sometimes get gangs. The house are semi-detatched so are pretty nice.

    WEST Pilton is bad (that's more Muirhouse area).
     

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