I keep pulling guard!

Discussion in 'Brazilian Jiu Jitsu' started by Randel, Feb 21, 2007.

  1. Randel

    Randel Valued Member

    Okay im primarialy a kickboxing, however we do somtiesm do grappling in class and i'll be doing allot more once i get into the next classes.
    Rolling with some of the higher belts (i say roling, it was mostly just me getting hurt) i pretty much always jsut pulled guard!

    Unfortunatly i had no idea what to do from there, how can i work a better position? Obviously theres some good subbmissions (most of which i cant execute)but i can't be pulling guard forever.

    So, where do i go when i have the guy in my guard?
    Also if anyone else has any general tips that could help my whoe game that would be great!

    Thanks! Jack :)
  2. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    People can post all the tips on the world... but if you've not trained in BJJ or other grappling arts properly.. it most likely wont make sense and you wont be able to really employ much if any of it.

    I'd say get some BJJ lessons. Or have some of the guys that you roll with show you some basic escapes to be able to stand back up once you've gone into your guard position. There literlly hundreds of submissions one can do from the guard position... but again... just going by instructions over the internet...almost guarantees that you won't be able to do any of them.

    Take your training up a notch and get some BJJ under your belt. Additionally also check out some videos. They're no substitution for lessons... but it will give you an idea of what's possible.

    Good luck.
  3. Randel

    Randel Valued Member

    I now lessons would be a better idea. Unfortunatly theres no cubs in my area :(
    I didnt think about dvd's and books though.. Are they expensive?
  4. Connovar

    Connovar Banned Banned

    If there are not any bjj clubs in your area, have you looked for MMA or submission grappling or even Judo (although I dont know if Judo does guard very much)

    Frankly unless you really spend a lot of time of the ground "rolling" even the DVD's and books will not help much IMO.
  5. Connovar

    Connovar Banned Banned

    If there are not any bjj clubs in your area, have you looked for MMA or submission grappling or even Judo (although I dont know if Judo does guard very much)

    Frankly unless you really spend a lot of time of the ground "rolling" even the DVD's and books will not help much IMO.
  6. RunningDog

    RunningDog Valued Member

    This is hilarious. People on the internet can't tell you how to have a guard game, that's what training's for, as has been pointed out above.

    If there are no BJJ classes nearby try looking for Judo, freestyle wrestling, greco-roman wrestling, MMA, Sambo. You won't concentrate as much on your guard game in those styles, but they'll get your ground game in general up to scratch.
  7. bcullen

    bcullen They are all perfect.

    From the guard the most common submissions to go for are armbars or guillotine chokes. If you aren't already familiar with how to do these techniques you'll need someone to show you.
  8. Oversoul

    Oversoul Valued Member

    We use the guard a lot. Not as much as in BJJ, obviously. But still a lot. No one I know in judo uses stand-ups from the guard much, because if you just stall, you'll get stood up anyway.

    Randel: For alternatives to pulling guard, I don't know what situation you're pulling guard from, so it would be hard for me to say. If it's because you're getting taken down, work on takedown defense. If it's on the ground, it depends on the situation that caused you to pull guard.

    As for what to do when you have guard, learn and drill some sweeps. After you're comfortable with those, you can take his base away and get his back when he pulls away (it's just a matter of getting past his arms) or roll him onto his back if he pushes against you. Integrate submission attempts (which will force him to move around and potentially get swept even if they fail) into this and you'll make your guard a bad place for your opponent to hang out.
  9. RunningDog

    RunningDog Valued Member

    What is this kickboxing class where they teach crappling?
  10. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    I'm sure that's a typo ;)

    Pulling guard is a sports technique. If your opponent is aware of this technique and doesn't want to go to ground it's easily avoided. In this case you'd better have a good open guard/safe get up game :)
  11. Oversoul

    Oversoul Valued Member

    You're thinking of JUMPING guard (I love it when people try to do that against me, but unfortunately no one in judo does because it's illegal and would probably just count against you as a throw anyway). Pulling guard can be done while on the ground or as a defense to being taken down, and I thought that was what the OP was referring to, although I might be wrong...
  12. Randel

    Randel Valued Member

    Thanks for all the replies. I have been looking for grappling clubs around my area.
    Buuut there is only a Judo and Ju jitsu club, these would be perfect but they are both on the same days as my kickboxing! Although once im 16 i can check out when the adult Judo classes are.
    I do know a few submissions from the guard, armbar, triangle choke, kiruma (sp?) and gullitine.
    However i am not asking for a magic cure to make me a pro grappler, im asking what to do i do if i want to stop pulling guard and if anyone has any general tips that they would share with anyone. Oh i did see a way of taking the back from the guard, although i am yet to try it.

    Thanks again, Jack
  13. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    Heh, I may have had a beer or two in me when I replied to that :eek:
  14. Sgt_Major

    Sgt_Major Ex Global Mod Supporter


    Nice one!
  15. blessed_samurai

    blessed_samurai Valued Member

    Not the greatest way to get technique work in, but have you thought about buying a DVD or book and working it in with the other students after class?
  16. Connovar

    Connovar Banned Banned

    Speaking as an old fart here, you have a lot of years ahead of you as a fighter. At your age it might be best to just focus on the kickboxing skills you are developing and then later work on grappling skills. Its hard to train in two different systems at the same time and unless you are planning on competing in MMA at an early age I would suggest develop one skill set and then move to the other. Anyway just a thought.
  17. Yohan

    Yohan In the Spirit of Yohan Supporter

    I don't know what your grappling classes look like during kickboxing, but I beleive the thing that seperates a crappy BJJ practitioner from a good one is DRILLS. Not rolling. While rolling is an integral part of BJJ training, and you will never be any good without it, it's even more important to DRILL. Before you can expect to effectively use a sub from the guard, sweep an opponent who's on top, or move to a more dominant position, you must DRILL each individual move untill you are bloody tired of it. Just rolling will get you nowhere fast.
  18. Yohan

    Yohan In the Spirit of Yohan Supporter

    So, in summary, learn some techniques and DRILL them.

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