I have 3 broken fingers...

Discussion in 'Women's Self Defence' started by Artemisia, Dec 7, 2013.

  1. Artemisia

    Artemisia New Member

    Hi, guys.

    I broke (severely) my index, middle, and right metacarpals and had surgery a little over a week ago, four k-wires were inserted into the three fingers (2 in to the index finger).

    My concerns are being attacked and trying to defend myself whilst my injuries heal. I currently train Silat.

    Any advice concerning tactics here would be much appreciated.


  2. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    You're 28, how many times have you been attacked previously?

    Getting attacked would be the least of my concerns. Getting well and taking care of my injuries would be top of my list.

    Self defence starts with awareness and staying smart.

    Take a look through the self defence forum. You'll find loads of information there.

  3. hardball

    hardball Valued Member

    Skill Level

    Palm strikes, low kicks, weapons. I recently bought a female friend an expandable baton. She is 66 and loves packing her baton. Arm yourself!!
  4. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    This is advice that should be ignored.

    Seriously Hardball, is this what you teach your students?

    Awareness first, verbal and de-escalations skills second, physical skills last.
  5. hardball

    hardball Valued Member

    Baltimore, Maryland USA

    Well, I don't know much about London or England but here in Baltimore we have a crime ridden city. Especially if you have to ride public transportation in the downtown area. Bmore is full of junkies, and criminals looking for an easy mark. You cannot rely on the police. Your self defense is your responsibility.

    This is a town that averages 300 murders per year. Sorry you took offense to my post but that's the way it is here.
  6. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    I'm not offended, I'm just making sure that you're advice is highlighted as what I perceive it to be, which is poor.

    Even in a crime ridden city do you advocate teaching everyone to strike first and ask questions later?

    A young lady has asked for self defence advice. As that young lady is injured I would rather advise her to keep her mobile phone charged, be aware that you can still call the emergency services if that phone has run out of credit.
    To be aware of her surrounding, keep her handbag zipped up at all times, approach her car with her keys in her hand, rather than getting to the car and rummaging through her bag to find the keys.

    I would advice her to hand over any valuables if confronted my a mugger, rather than fighting for items that can easily be replaced.

    You said that criminals are looking for an easy mark. My advice, don't be an easy mark.
  7. hardball

    hardball Valued Member

    Womans Self Defense forum

    The original poster listed her location as Israel/London. I understand Israel is a dangerous place. Woman here know all of the stuff you listed and they want to know what to do in the worst case scenario. That's what I teach; worst case scenario. What if the perp has blood shot eyes and nothing else works?
  8. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    That's fine, but do you have the knowledge and technical ability to teach de-escalation? Do you understand the different types of aggressor and the threat each type poses?
    You are faced by someone with bloodshot eyes, what type of aggressor are they?

    Currently I'm sat in my house with extremely bloodshot eyes and I'm having to apply cetraben (which an emollient cream) to my eye lids every hour.

    Would you advocate stabbing me if I came toward you on a dark night?

    There are more signs to look for before taking physical action.
  9. mattt

    mattt Valued Member

    You could take a nice cruise somewhere for a week. That should be a good way to rest and relax and stay out of the way of the red eyed junkies.
  10. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Some Baltimore mugger is going to find himself the proud owner of a telescopic baton in the near future me thinks.
  11. Artemisia

    Artemisia New Member

    Thankyou all for the replies...

    Simon, I like the idea of de-escalation but do not have any knowledge concerning this. I have, since your mentioning of this done a little bit of research via google and have found a number of interesting articles on the subject. In regards to awareness my training has given me a number of options to reconsider.

    Hardball, I remember reading an article titled '...forever armed' and have since opted to carry a Surefire defender on my person ever since.

    Now, if i may...What would be the best way for me to 'cover up' IF i were to be attacked. I understand and have refined my finch response but do not think it would do me much good in my present circumstance...i primarily stand right lead/leg forward and it is my right hand that is injured.

    Thankyou, guys for taking the time out to offer me advice.

  12. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

  13. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Get caught with that in London and you might find yourself on a trip to the local prison.

    Run away. Scream for help. Drop to the ground, curl up into a ball protecting your vital organs and cover your head with your arms. In that order.
  14. John Titchen

    John Titchen Still Learning Supporter

    The thing about de-escalation is that it applies to fewer possible types of event than avoidance and deterrence.

    In other words the majority of possible violent and aggressive situations (robbery, sexual assault, domestic violence, alcohol/drug related violence) can be avoided by applying knowledge to lifestyle choices.

    De-escalation, while a valuable skill set, has a limited scope. It also applies more to the types of violent crime experienced by men than the types of violent crime experienced by women.

    Whether a situation can be defused by deescalation tactics depends on a number of different factors, in particular the perceived value (psychological and/or material) for the aggressor in taking something physical versus the inhibiting factors of the perceived loss or danger of the same. Judgement on these matters and the ability to make rational choices can be affected by hormones, peer pressure, upbringing and memories, and drugs/alcohol.

    With regard to tactics themselves I teach a LEAD to DEAL model.

    Listen - to what is being said/alleged/demanded,
    Empathise - look at it from the other person's perspective to try and gain an insight into what other than violence might help resolve the situation,
    Acknowledge - what is being said and show this by paraphrasing, adapting and lowering aggressive tone, positioning and body language where possible,
    Distract - by using other people, asking engaging questions, making offers etc

    Other people have slightly more complex models. George Thompson's Verbal Judo is a good read on the subject.

    The physical elements of deescalation, positioning, tone, body language etc are more complicated to explain (in a post or podcast) and easier to observe in successful communicators.

    In terms of physically fighting: hitting with your bad hand will hurt, but that shouldn't stop you from doing it if the situation arises.
  15. John R. Gambit

    John R. Gambit The 'Rona Wrangler

    You'd go to prison for having a flashlight in London? Wow, you guys have really stemmed the tides of chaos with that one.
  16. gapjumper

    gapjumper Intentionally left blank

    All flashing is frowned upon.
  17. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    To be fair their own website claims its, at least in part, designed for self defence so it fits under the standard "if you're carrying this to use it as a weapon its illegal" thing.

    edit: Also just looking at the thing it looks like something designed to stab someone with and I'd expect someone using a torch as an improvised weapon to club people with it. Can't see it being that hard to argue it being carried to use as a weapon if the OP used it as one.
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2013
  18. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    It's marketed as a weapon, therefore you are fighting a losing battle to convince a magistrate that it isn't one. But fools and their money and their freedom are easily parted.
  19. Mazulu

    Mazulu Valued Member

    Since guns are illegal in London, there might be other ways to protect yourself. Move to a safer part of town; carry mace; walk around with an angry look on your face (works for me). If you can't fight with hands/fists, then use kicks (TaeKwonDo maybe). If someone approaches to attack, yell, "back off" and then go into a non-threatening fighting stance; that communicates to the attacker that you might know martial arts. We learned that as white belts. It looks like a front stance with open hands signalling "back off". Just my 2 cents worth.
  20. mattt

    mattt Valued Member

    Moving is quite a tricky thing, firstly if you live in a crappy part of town it is likely for financial reasons, which haven't changed for the better due to having an injury.

    Learning to kick well enough for it to be effective in the street in a Bruce Lee manner (versus a good solid punt to the ghoolies) is going to take more time to learn than it takes for the hand to repair.

    Advising the carrying of other weapons, such as mace, without understanding the carry laws of a Country is stupid. Just because you might think it is a de-escalated weapon doesn't mean the law of that land does so. Look it up before you suggest carrying such a thing.

    Yelling "Back Off" and going into a non-threatening fighting stance sounds weird.

    Just my tuppence

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