Thats true with ever style, even Muay Thai...maybe(not in my experience) Yeah, i think so to yuki. But then again, Bruce lee formed JKD for that reason. He said he wanted to get rid of useless techniques and use the usefull ones. But i have found JKD fighters with useless moves. Maybe those moves were useful to bruce lee, but useless to them. Man this could go on for a long long time, and my heads hurting.............. And if you dont have a bag? Or cant get one? Cant hang it in your home? In those remote african tribes for example. THey have thier own tribal martial arts, and living in such a place and such a way they must be tough guys(I have never been to any remote places in africa, just somalia) They have no punching bags, but are pretty damn tough, because they have old traditional training methods. Or what about those old indian martial arts? They had no punching bag. So what? Now all thier punches were weak because they have no bag? Or the muay thai kick boxers of thailand in the 1800's? Put them up against the thai boxers of today, and what will happen? I will admit using a punching bag is far better then using horse stance alone. But whats wrong with combining them? Expecially if it helped ancient martial artists develop thier punches in absence of the punching bag.