HIP JOINT ARTHROSIS IN KARATE MAN

Discussion in 'Disabled Martial Artists' started by julio kodokan, Jul 14, 2009.

  1. julio kodokan

    julio kodokan MUAY THAY & BRAZILIAN JIU-JITSU Student

    What a top karate man,like one of my masters, could do to overcome a serious painful bilateral femur-hip joint arthrosis and go on with his trainning?He is a forty years old, former top athlete and very skilful yet at kumite and box training.Does anyone have an experience like that to share with?
    OSS Kind regards from Brazil.Julio Kodokan
     
  2. Mike Flanagan

    Mike Flanagan Valued Member

    He may wish to consider looking at a another style of karate - one which doesn't place the same emphasis on techniques that are stressful on the hip joints (ie. deep stances and high kicks). It's worth looking to see what styles of Shorin Ryu are available.

    Mike
     
  3. Moi

    Moi Warriors live forever x

  4. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    Arthrosis is one of those things that will only get worse. I'd advise him to get his hips replaced, he won't regret it - well, he might do for the first few weeks! :confused: Will be worth it in the long run though.
     
  5. stejitsu

    stejitsu New Member

    Hya mate im 39 at the moment and have had a bad left leg for years now. I train still and just go through the pain barrier. In the long run i dont know if this will have a negative effect but i will cross that bridge when i come to it. I am due to see someone in orthapedics this coming monday so i will see what wonderfull ways he can add further pain to my hip. I have put off an operation that i was supposed to have last year on my left ankle, i will no doubt have to rethink tjhat one in the coming years. Strangely i can still kick on my leg with the bad hip/ankle but its the right leg i have trouble kicking with:bang: One of the ways i keep my leg moving is to cycle, keeping the old hip moving this way im sure is a positive effect in managing this problem. I will post back monday and reveal the soreness that i will be feeling and the prognosis of the orthopedic doctors find

    osu
     
  6. Mike Flanagan

    Mike Flanagan Valued Member

    Probably because when you kick with the right the left leg is taking all the strain of your bodyweight on its own, whilst your pivoting.

    You might be better off working out what the problem is now and finding ways to work round, rather than just trying to push through it.

    Mike
     
  7. inthespirit

    inthespirit ignant

    Good idea ^^^ there might be structural imbalance somewhere which is the root of this problem. If you can fix that, you may be able to stop the damage to your hip and allow it to heal. Could be a soft tissue imbalance i.e. tight/loose muscles/tendons. Not sure who would be the best person to diagnose this for you, maybe an osteopath or some sort of body work person. But there are many ways to correct such imbalances.

    - Feldenkrai
    - Rolfing
    - Egoscue

    or if you want to stick with the martial stuff, can try something like Yiquan (Taikiken in Japan), the standing practices and work with muscle tension can fix a lot of problems quickly. On top of that the practice can increase blood supply closer to the joints and speed up/increase healing/recovery.

    Taiji, would also be just as good, but a good teacher is very rare.. more likely to find a proper Yiquan school than a Taiji one..

    Here is some reading on Yiquan and how it may help towards such problems:

    http://www.yiquan.org.uk/art-pom1.html

    Some more if you are curious:

    http://www.yiquan.org.uk/art-zz.html

    http://www.yiquan.org.uk/art-pom2.html

    If you decide on this path and need help finding a teacher, let us know.

    Good luck!
     
  8. karajutsu

    karajutsu Valued Member

    I have the same type of problem, it won't go away totaly so pain management is the only thing to do at the moment. anti inflamatries work quite well. i have just had a cortizone injection yesterday to releive the pain, just have to see how i react to it!. Also i have been taking, cod liver oil, glucosamine,cider vinegar, dark honey and swimming 3 to 4 times a week, which all seem to have help ease the pain. for more information on cider vinegar as a cure for arthiritis google it(Maragret Hill and Ranulf Fines) and you should find lots of interesting articles on how people have used cider vinegar as a cure. I may add that diet plays a big part in tackling this disease. I am no expert but this is how i am attempting to fight it hope i have been of some help.

    Regards
    Mike Sanderson
     
  9. stejitsu

    stejitsu New Member

    Hip Update

    Since i posted last August i have had xrays which led to physio. Some good tips on lengthening tight muscles above the hip do help. I have pain still and now have gone to see a specialist in Wrightengton (Spelling correct?)Wigan UK. This is the first place in UK to do a hip replacement op so they kinda know there stuff on bones and joints. Had an xray there and im now waiting for an MRI scan, hopefully that will arrive soon. The pain at present is in the groin, butt area and down the side to my knee. I made it worse recently whilst grappling whilst i was in full guard. Will update the thread when i have MRI scan.

    I am taking heed of what members have posted and when im in a bit of pain i dont train like i did.
     
  10. stejitsu

    stejitsu New Member

    hip update

    I seen the specialist at Wrightington hospital uk. He confirmed what i had been thinking and i have the start of osteoarthritis of my left hip. The trauma i received to it in February happened when a new beginner who is a bulky built chap, rolled on it causing it to get forced down to the floor. That was the last time i grappled :( . I have had a stiff hip for years but this may have damaged something, perhaps worn cartilage a little bit more than was already damaged. Its definitely worse since this happened :( . In our stand up game we do little long stance work but we do kick. The kicks we do - front push, round thai-low/mid. I want to do these for as long as i can do it being 39 im finding it hard not too. The specialist said i could have a hip replacement but since im active to put it off till i couldnt cope with it any longer. This could be 10 years from now so if i manage it with stretching etc i may be ok till then. Does anyone here grapple or kick with replaced joints?, timescale you had them, what can you do as far as training /sparring?

    Regards
     
  11. jorvik

    jorvik Valued Member

    seriously forget it, don't kick, lose weight to keep your hip longer.see my other post about this.............been there done that, when the pain really kicks, in kicking will seem like a child's fantasy and totally irrelevant
     
  12. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    Had my THR one year next month. I can kick fine with it (well over my own head height, as well as being able to hold my foot in place). Bill Wallace is 64 and he had both of his hips replaced and he can do the same. If you think you can do it, you can.
     
  13. Mike Flanagan

    Mike Flanagan Valued Member

    Positive thinking can work wonders. But I suspect there are physical factors that are equally important. Like any surgery, no 2 hip replacements are exactly the same. Whilst no expert I imagine the condition of the socket in the pelvis can make a big difference to your how much function you'll get afterwards. And of course how well the prosthesis is fixed in the femur will have a huge effect.

    So no 2 recoveries will be the same. Some will be good, some less so. But I agree that positive thinking and determination can help a great deal.

    Mike
     
  14. jorvik

    jorvik Valued Member

    Don't want to be down on you guys.but I had the B'ham hip replacement and it didn't work for me........I accept that I'll never kick again.but, if it works for U then it works for u
     
  15. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    Maybe we should have a talk via PM or chat, Jorvik?
     
  16. jorvik

    jorvik Valued Member

    Yeah happy to......I don't want to put folks on a downer, I had a B'ham hip re surfacing which failed and now have a full hip replacement. I can walk around and I am in no pain.but I'm less keen to kick now .........I think a lot which is said abot BHR is misleading
     

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