Here's something you don't see every day :D

Discussion in 'Weapons' started by Hatamoto, Apr 7, 2012.

  1. Hatamoto

    Hatamoto Beardy Man Kenobi Supporter

    Just browsing youtube for longsword vids, and found a channel called Nikos3000, where I saw this video. Never seen a match between these weapons before, the closest I've come is choreographed demos. Much coolness ensues :)

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RWLxlzTiM&feature=relmfu"]Spear vs Sword and Buckler Nick vs Mike Sparring - YouTube[/ame]
     
  2. finite monkey

    finite monkey Thought Criminal

    That is cool as!

    I wanna learn spear!!!
     
  3. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    That as cool.

    I have no weapon training what so ever and from the small stuff I've seen I gather historical arts like this to have a very patient sparring style, but wouldn't the guy with the sword have had more success bullrushing a bit more rather than waiting at a distance to parry? Kind of same principle as moving within a baseball bats arc rather than staying on the outside where there's power in a swing?
     
  4. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    The spear's primarily a thrusting weapon, running straight at it is not necessarily the best idea.
     
  5. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    The Chinese qiang was interesting because they included a tassel for specific purposes
     
  6. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    reminds me of the stuff from the zukuru channel:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHFnjRmJy1o"]Targe'n Broadsword vs Double Saber Sparring - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQWAxbumFQ"]Machete'n Axe vs Katana Sparring - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1YUFrQUJk"]Double Saber vs Nito - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msilwychit4"]Sickle vs Short Sword Sparring - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8QfcQS1ugE"]3 Section Staff vs Spear - YouTube[/ame]

    also:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc_zg7cFjc0"]war charriot epic battle - YouTube[/ame]
    :p
     
  7. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    I was not too impressed of the tri-sectional cudgel versed the spear.
     
  8. finite monkey

    finite monkey Thought Criminal


    This was the comment of the vid uploader
     
  9. Princess Haru

    Princess Haru Valued Member

    To be fair he didn't use any of the three section staff close quarter techniques, preferring to keep distance and swing it. Wish I'd had someone to spar against with mine in the 80s:cool:
     
  10. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RWLxlzTiM&feature=relmfu"]Spear vs Sword and Buckler Nick vs Mike Sparring - YouTube[/ame]

    Don't see any spear rotation skill in the 1st clip.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGEeXLNUDdU"]Han student spear - YouTube[/ame]
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2012
  11. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    actually, john, that might be a western spear (and spear use methods) there, hence why you don't see spear rotation methods. seems way too short, thick and inflexible to be a qiang to me.
     
  12. Mushroom

    Mushroom De-powered to come back better than before.

    Looks like a fun day out.

    Would liked to see a Bo vs Nunchuku vs Sai vs Katana match though

    (hee hee)
     
  13. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoOMfrOn-nk"]Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Meets Metal - YouTube[/ame]
     
  14. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    Indeed.

    Could it be that he really did not know how to use it to the fullest?

    That he lack skill?

    The main problem I see with a sectional cudgel, be it the nunchakus, the chang xiao ban, or the san ji gun, is that many people are drawn to its action, but far few actually practice all of the applicable methods.
     
  15. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    I'd imagine that's because they're using a HEMA military spear method. European military spears, certainly in the post medieval period were too long to flower with, like the Da Qiang
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FGOCg-VMIg&feature=related"]Baji Quan 6 harmony big spear old video - YouTube[/ame]
     
  16. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    Isn't YouTube Great!?"
     
  17. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    Its always the obvious answer :p
    But I would think it goes both ways: Its a thrusting weapon so running at its point is a bad idea. At the same time its a thrusting weapon so standing at a distance is a bad idea. Like I said I don't know anything about EMA style stuff, wasn't that long ago I learnt there were actually fighting systems, so I'm just spit balling.

    Ah. Thanks for the quote man.
     
  18. finite monkey

    finite monkey Thought Criminal

    You're welcome
     
  19. Stolenbjorn

    Stolenbjorn Valued Member

    That first video demonstrates that you should not stay at the opponents-killing-distance, especially if you cannot do any harm at that distance. Whenever we're facing spear in sparring, we do what we call a spear-hunt (basically trapping the spear, and closing past the tip), but even that is not easy.
     
  20. beer_belly

    beer_belly Valued Member

    Indeed - assuming the spearman is as skilled as the swordsman all the odds are in their favour if out in the open - reach matters and the answers for the swordsman seem fairly universal (leastwise longsword or katana vs pole arm - not sure what a rapier weilder would do since beating down the spear tip and closing is possibly not as viable an option).

    While its not spear but glaive vs sword, look at youtube for isshu jiai matches, or for katori shinto ryu naginata kata.
     

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