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Discussion in 'Silat' started by smokalot, Mar 30, 2004.

  1. smokalot

    smokalot New Member

    Salam hormat.

    Hi guys, i was fascinated with your knowledge of silat, since i was indonesian
    myself but i know little of it...especially the technicals one.
    anyway i was browsing the net to find more about silat for my research of my finals, then i stumble into this forum. i have read most of the threads and i must admit i found most valuable info from you guys. so i would like to thanks you all for making my task easier.

    I like to share some thoughts with you guys...i used to lived in surakarta/solo in central java.
    In there the words pencak silat is somehow always connected with..inner force, inner power, tenaga dalam etc.

    in 1996 i was a teenager with too much time to kill so i decided to do something with that.
    it was the era of action movie with martial arts in it, kung fu mostly (jet lee is already famous in country at that time) but theres not much of kungfu club in my town so i joined a silat club called merpati putih. i found that this silat club is practising inner force. in fact it doesnt do much martial arts. i wasnt very happy to found that since i came from community that into "real things". but i already paid anyway so i went there for couple weeks. Beginner session is sooo boring since most of our training is only breathing excersise, meditation, focusing etc. I was about to drop this class until one of the guru come the the class and do something i wont forget for all my life.

    the guru is 40s old woman. she came to class and asked for 6 volunteer, and i was one of the six since i was curious about what was she going to do. she asked 6 of us to imagine shes a punching bag and we should charge forward to punch, touch, kick or slam the bag. and who ever at least manage to touch her would get some money from her, she took the money from her wallet showed to us and put it on the floor in front of her. thats all i need...six of of us charging on to her(i was charging for on to the money ), one even screaming. i was 1 meter close to her and then suddenly i feel my body thrown back couple meters and then i was confused and disoriented. i dont know what happen but i think i lost my control over my mind and my body for awhile that moment.

    You could just say i have a different point of view after that. i was excited and ready to
    to do more training until, again, i found that means more breathing excercise. well i got bored ,drop the class and take a guitar class instead.

    But before leaving i have a talk to one of the guru. he said something that i want to share
    with you guys.
    I was asking him the usual how,when,why about inner force.
    What he says doesnt really explain it. But he do thinks that inner force is something human and natural and it is in you since you were born, its like hairs that grows in your body, every body has it. Its like human emotion, you cant see it but you can feel its there.
    Lots of people says its has something to do with mental or spiritual, or maybe religious things. Well in fact its beyond those things, connecting inner force with those things is just an effort to make it inclusive.
    the fundamental basics of inner force is breathing excercise and Focusing. so any styles,
    any arts, any form that practising breathing excercise and focusing is actually practising inner force.
    It is a dynamic thing, no one knows to what it can evolved.
    Of course no science can actually explain it, but science also cant (yet?) explain telephatic or telekinetic even thou science recognize it( he might be wrong about that)
    It is said that we only used 30 percent of our brain capability and we dont even know what the rest 70 percent is for. isnt it is a posibility that theres might be more that our body and mind can do?, maybe we just dont know it yet.

    Doesnt that intriquing you? i mean what if we can actually be a jedi?
    i dont know about you but i think im agree with him...

  2. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    I think you've been smoking a lot, smokalot :rolleyes:
  3. smokalot

    smokalot New Member


    ha its one of my breathing excercise man...
  4. Intan86

    Intan86 Valued Member

    Too bad you don't have enough patience and your young and boiling blood just gave it all up.
  5. smokalot

    smokalot New Member

    youre right

    maybe i shouldnt gave it up easily...but right now im into music and you cant impress chicks with trhowing people without touching them.

    tapi awak benar silat is beatiful art...but as long as im concern so is the other martial art. What really in my mind is about the inner power.
    you came from families that practising it right? you know my side of opinion about it. why dont you tell me yours?
  6. Intan86

    Intan86 Valued Member

    Bagi saya, saya tidak begitu percaya yang seseorang itu dapat melawan musuh dengan jelingan sahaja. Tidak masuk akal. However, silat have great hand techniques just like wing chun, JKD, and groundfighting techniques. It all depends on the principle of the silat style. Silat saya tidak ada groundfighting. Only hand techniques. My uncle said, if you want to learn groundfighting (just for precautions), you learn silat cekak. Because silat sendeng and silat cekak are like brothers/sisters...adik-beradiklah kiranya tu. Selain daripada silat, awak ada belajar martial art lain ke? Saya 1st dan black belt in TKD. And errmm... I think you're a little wrong about impressing a chick with your musical talent (altough I admit I might be impressed), I love a man who knows Martial Art and especially if he has the BODY.
  7. krys

    krys Valued Member

    Silat sendeng has only hand techniques? Is it close to wing chun?

    Haha I am always impressed by good looking chicks who know martial arts... unfortunately I can't meet any in the place I live right now..... :cry:
  8. smokalot

    smokalot New Member

    Nope saya tidak belajar apa apa lagi...its a shame though, but if you live where i live, you will find martial arts will do nothing more than hobbies, something you do, or maybe something you learn in the army...To protect yourself? you will buy a gun instead, which is now you can buy this place is in its maximum screw up. sigh

    the BODY?
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2004
  9. amirul_tekpi79

    amirul_tekpi79 Valued Member

    silat sendeng

    peace to all

    Dear Krys, Silat Sendeng, as far as i know, have some similarities with Wing Chun, namely the use of hands as means of attacking, defending, parrying etc and implementing fast reflexes in all their actions.

    However, Silat Sendeng (in particular Silat Sendeng Muar/Malaysia) does not face the opponent in the way Wing Chun warriors do, i.e. both shoulders are facing the enemy. Silat Sendeng's fighting philosophy requires the throat, the heart, the stomach and the reproductive area (what Malays call 'penyawa' or life) to be fully protected. For this particular reason does a Sendeng warrior 'slant' his/her body in a way that is almost the same as a Tae Kwon Do warrior readies to spar. FYI, 'sendeng' is translated to mean 'to slope, to slant, to lean'.

    Just my few cents...
  10. amirul_tekpi79

    amirul_tekpi79 Valued Member

    private message for Intan86

    salaam or peace

    Dear Intan86,

    I sent you a private message just now. Thanks.
  11. krys

    krys Valued Member

    Thanks for answering amirul_tekpi79.

    Silat sendeng sounds very interesting.....
    I read in your bio that you practice silat kuntau tekpi.... is this art a form of silat influenced by kuntau? I have never seen kuntau in Indonesia-Malaysia just heard it is the name used for some chinese martial arts practiced in SEA (in the Philippines it is kuntaw).Are there some common principles-patterns in the different kuntau systems found in Malaysia-Indonesia ?
  12. amirul_tekpi79

    amirul_tekpi79 Valued Member

    Silat Kuntau Tekpi

    Peace to all,

    Dear Krys,

    I'm only a beginner in Silat Kuntau Tekpi but i'll try to answer your questions to the extent of my knowledge.

    Silat Kuntau Tekpi originates from the state of Kedah (north peninsula Malaysia). It was practiced by the royalties and 'panglima-panglima istana' or palace master warriors since the 1700s.

    This silat can trace its history to the time of Panglima Taib bin Wan Hussin. He passed down the system to his daughter Siti Aminah binti Taib, who later passed down to her son Pak Guru Zainol Abidin. Pak Guru passed away last year and now presently his son Pak Guru Sani is the new Guru Utama and Pewaris of Silat Kuntau Tekpi.

    Silat Kuntau Tekpi was originally known only as Silat Tekpi. FYI, Tekpi is the Sai weapon you can find amongst Karate practioners. It is the main weapon of Silat Kuntau Tekpi other than Keris.

    The name 'Kuntau' was added to the original name by Pak Guru Sani to differentiate this style of silat with other styles that coincidentally had the same name. This was important due to the fact that the law in Malaysia states that silat schools/styles must be registered to be legal. In other words, 'Silat Kuntau Tekpi' is just the registered name, whereas 'Silat Tekpi' is the true name.

    However, according to Pak Guru Sani, the name 'Kuntau' has significance because in Malaysia, 'Kuntau' can also mean (in Silat context) 'hard & fast' which is typical in Silat Tekpi.

    About kuntau in Malaysia in general, i don't have any authority in the matter. You have to ask those who really knows, i.e Kuntau practioners in Malaysia themselves.

    Tha's all for now. Hope this answered your question.
  13. Bayani

    Bayani Valued Member

    Saya nama bayani,
    I had the pleasure of studying merpatih putih (white dove) while training with your Indonesian military. Correct me if i am wrong but is it not the official system of your military? yes the djurus seem boring at first but the deep stances and hard impact motions compiled with breathing really helped me develop more power in striking. In our training it has allowed for longer stamina and inner strength. We ran farther did calithenics better even when in full gear. I have seen the demonstrations of several silat systems and have been part of such phenomena to atest to something strange this way comes. To further realize this my sponsors in the military took me to bandung to show me another internal silat style. I studied with an internal force system who's system is ALL breathing, nothing more than moves and forms with breathing...then they spar...which is also all breathing. there is no touching at all. I being the doubter had to get in to feel this blows here...just a total loss of energy as I fell to the ground. Psychological? who knows and I don't smokalot...maybe hit on the head many times with rattan sticks though.

    This too you will find in the Russian arts of systema, very similar.

  14. RobP

    RobP Valued Member

    The systema work is psychological rather than "telekinetic". There is a strong emphasis on breathing, which in itself is largely psychological training and, of course, no forms, but there is plenty of contact.
  15. Bayani

    Bayani Valued Member

    exactly, would it not be interesting if they are the same? just different avenues to arrive at the same result. both emphasize the importance of breathing, the psychic energy of systema which is psychological then you have silat systems some of which you wonder how much is based on being psychosomatic and some being metaphysical? either way i find the breath training important and effective.

    krys, you are here too? wow, FMA, Silat, Ross....I wonder if we have crossed you we know the same people somewhere .
  16. krys

    krys Valued Member

    I believe internal training in silat seems to be faith-metaphysical based and systema-ROSS psychological although I am sure christian Orthodox faith may also have it's place in russian internal practices... both systems seem to achieve similar results in the end...

    Systema and silat have many similarities.... systema-ROSS actually helps me to better understand silat....

    My t.p (he is a sceptic :) ) told me his systema instructor moved behind him and did some manipulation (without touching him) after this he felt all strength was leaving him and he fell down......

    Silat breathing is important and effective.... but it takes some time to practice: the body and mind have to be prepared before or very serious health problems will occur....

    haha who knows..... we seem to be drawn to the same mas.....

    I too was in Indonesia (Sumatra, Java, Bali) but didn't really practice there....
    In Asia I had the opportunity to learn silat Gayong in Malaysia (near Kuala Lumpur) and study a filipino silat system right now...
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2004
  17. smokalot

    smokalot New Member

    Merpati putih was never the primary official system of our military, if there was one it would be karate. Others is just an electives one. For what I know Silat and government was rarely in good relation.
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2004
  18. krys

    krys Valued Member

    What about kopassus troops? Do they learn silat?
  19. smokalot

    smokalot New Member


    Kopassus? i dont know...they could be. but my guess is as good as yours.
    see my father is in military, i happen to have seen his martial arts certificates, and its all is karate. but he might have do others that i didnt know of.

    you know you could ask any of 200 million people in indonesia about kopassus
    and they would answer the same thing, we have learn to stay away from them.
  20. Bayani

    Bayani Valued Member

    Hmmm I beg to differ, the people I trained with were Military and were all in the same unit and practiced Merpatih together. Could have been an individual unit thing but I have spoken to other Military personnel who are quite familiar with the system . I also knew some people working for a former Indonesian diplomat, their security also knew Merpatih Putih. To say that karate is the system of the military is pure folly! Merpatih does employ deep stances and some forms do look very much like karate stances so maybe this is where you might mistake the two as being the same.

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