Harry Cook Charged With Seven Counts of Sexual Assault

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  1. kravi2

    kravi2 Valued Member

    I don't know about other people's arguments, but I was simply mentioning that rape is a no-no in the old testament, regardless of whether you are Christian or Jewish. My argument had nothing to do with morality or this case, just that someone (cough, cough) had mentioned that the Christians only had 10 commandments and that rape wasn't forbidden according to scripture.

  2. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    Sorry folks. I was a counselor for troubled youth, and the horror. The victims are scarred for life.

    I cannot be "sensitive"

    I have no idea what do you mean or where you are going with this.

    Good attributes towards those affected by this guy's actions?
    I don't know what you mean by this. I stated such victims are scarred for life, thereby this guy scarred his victims.

    ...being judgemental towards some of us when we pick you up on something
    I don't know what you mean by this. I state my post per my opinion. In all, I am disgusted about the situation of HC

    Sorry, All the rest of your post makes no sense to me
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  3. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    I think you may have misunderstood.

    I was giving an example how people who held high regards or favor for those in the public eye i.e., The Beatles.

    That in their case, they were destroying their Beatles' albums in protest.

    I stated;
    So blasphemy is worse than molestering a underage person?

    Because it had seemed that The Beatles public situation was a larger outcry than someone committing a crime such as sexual assault.

    To add, I wonder if those that own HC's works, are willing to destroy these per a simular outcry.

    >>Note: Multi quote not working at the moment for me-apology for double post
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  4. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    47MM, you are making some very poor comparisons.
    Michael Jackson was a good example, especially in reply my question about the continued sale of published material. In fact Michael Jackson is still getting airplay, so is maybe the exception to the rule. The Beatles though is a poor comparison. Yes there was public out cry, but you know how thepress works. No such thing as bad press when it comes to the rock and roll scene. A few clever words from John Lennon and the Beatles are on every front page and news review for weeks.

    Your feelings can be understood because you have seen the effects on a family first hand. That exposure though should make you a tad more delicate in dealing with the subject.
  5. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    See that's surprising for a "counsellor", I'd expect at least a counter argument based off what I said.

    How much supervision did you have whilst dealing with these youths? You've missed that question, you should know what I'm on about. Maybe you need to google a? :rolleyes:

    Also let's consider that you appear to have your pic as your Avatar and you are stating that those you worked with are scarred for life. Now think about that from a confidentiality point of view? Let's hear your thoughts on that?

    Finally what was your approach when dealing with these youths?

    Members might wonder why I'm doing this but I feel you were trying to cover up for your lack of judgement, hence the questions.
  6. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    Makes sense
  7. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    :confused: >confused< With utmost sincerity, I still do not now what you mean or where you are going with this :confused:
  8. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    Thank you.

    I have my answer.
  9. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    Are you referring to me?
  10. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member


  11. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    I haven't a clue why you are thanking me.

    If you feel I have gave you what you needed....

    You are welcome

    PM me anytime

  12. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    Ive been thinking about this. I still haven't a real clue upon your post, therefore, as a courtesy, I will make an attempt to answer
    Counseling, from my experience, isn't really about "arguing" when dealing with people in need of.

    This depends upon what type of counseling/counselor we are talking about. I was a guidance counselor (not one of psychology) trained by the institution I was to be associated with. Although they paid for extra/external courses to further my skill. At first, I was to assist another counselor for a period of time, before I was allowed to go it alone.

    This did not make sense to me. My avatar does not say who I am, per actual name. Therefore, no one could really search and find my avatar/pic. Also, when I stated I was a counselor, I did not state the institution nor the client-subjects by name.

    The best thing I had experienced as a counselor, was learning how to "listen" without being strongly opinionated. I also had to demonstrate a degree of "balanced" authority, because a troubled youth takes on two main behavior patterns; Recluse or Dissident
  13. John Paul Marti

    John Paul Marti Valued Member

    What does this discussion have to do with Harry Cook? other than to distract everyone away from the subject (which I think a lot of people would like to do)
  14. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    You are correct. If you read back a bit, I voiced a view posts and I was confronted on another subject
  15. KarateBob

    KarateBob New Member

    More info

    Harry Cook pleads guilty to sexual assault charges.













    As the father of the victim in question, my daughter, I wish to put forward what actually happened and this will stop all the speculation that has been read on various forums on the internet.

    But first of all I would like to strongly point out that my daughter DID NOT have a crush on Harry Cook whatsoever. This has caused a lot of upset to my daughter when she read what had been posted. In fact I find it a disgrace and we are seeking legal advice over what has been posted. As you will see with what has happened over the last 6 years, Harry Cook is 100% responsible for his actions and there were and are no excuses for his despicable behaviour.

    As you can understand my family members have been left devastated, traumatised and emotionally damaged to what has happened . My daughter in particular has lost her childhood, her innocence, she is mentally and emotionally scarred and it will take her years to recover if at all, over what this evil monster has done to her both physically and psychologically over the years.

    To make it clear to everyone who knew Harry Cook, his family, his friends and his colleagues, this is exactly what happened to my daughter. Please note that Harry Cook was aged around 56 in 2006 when these events first took place and continued up to and were continuing this year 2011 when he was aged approx 61.

    All what follows was told to my family at the beginning of May and this was the first time that my daughter had told a soul. She had been in emotional pain for many years, felt threatened by Harry Cook every time she went to karate and had lived in this fear from the age of 12. I would also like to add that my daughter looks very young for her age and even at 18 she could pass for a 14 year old. At 12 my daughter looked around 8 years of age.

    In Feb 2006, when my daughter was aged just 12, Harry Cook put his hands on her left breast on at least two occasions during a particular karate move known as randori.

    In 2006 after my daughter turned 13, Harry Cook continued to touch her breasts on certain moves in the karate lessons. This was on at least 5 occasions.

    In 2007 to 2008, Harry Cook not only touched my daughter's breasts on several occasions but he touched her private area when doing a karate move. She was aged 14 and 15 at the time. He also started buying her presents and birthday gifts such as perfume and this continued over the years. My daughter was told these presents were from Harry Cook and his wife.

    In April 2009 just after my daughter turned 16, Harry Cook took my daughter on a training course. While there he bought her a revealing tracksuit top. They went swimming together and he touched her on the stomach and back to help her swim. Harry Cook then suggested that they take some photographs of my daughter in her hotel room. Harry Cook took several photos of my daughter's face and then showed her a leather top that he wanted her to wear. He then suggested some bikini shots which my daughter refused to do. He then took some photos of them together and put his hand inside my daughter's bra. He then took several more photos.

    In July 2009 Harry Cook took my daughter who was 16 on a fell walk. He suggested that she wore a bikini so he could take some photos. He took her to a barn and took some photos of my daughter. He then put his hand inside her bra and felt her breasts. He said to her that he was not going to rape her and she did not need to get a bodyguard. He added that he found her very attractive. Harry Cook then asked to kiss my daughter which my daughter refused. He then asked her about a course in Sep and that he hoped she was still wanting to go. He asked my daughter if she had a boyfriend and hugged her on more than one occasion. He continued to pay her compliments and then offered to lend her some money if she ever needed it.

    After the walk, Harry Cook took my daughter back to his dojo. He asked my daughter if he could take some topless shots. My daughter said no but he asked her to push her breasts together in her purple bra she was wearing and he took several photos of my daughter's breasts. Harry then told my daughter that she had great boobs, a great shape and small is good. He asked my daughter her bra size several times, asked her if she had a boyfriend again and then talked about a lesbian friend he knew to my daughter.

    Later that year in karate classes, Harry Cook lectured the class with my daughter in attendance about a girl who did training with another man who kept touching this girl. This girl had confided in Harry Cook and he had told her to train with him. This left my daughter in a very confused state of mind. He continued the lecture with statements such as no one should be touched in karate and how much he disliked rapists.

    In Sep 2009, Harry Cook took my daughter on a course. On the way back Harry Cook showed photographs to my daughter of a topless girl on the beach which he had taken. He explained that this girl had low confidence and after she had posed for him, she was much more confident. He said that he wanted to take some topless photographs of my daughter and that they would be for his and her eyes only. He asked her if he could buy her some alcohol. My daughter said no but he replied that they could have a drink when she turned 18.

    In Sep 2009 at Harry Cook's 60th birthday party, my daughter was invited. Harry Cook asked her want she was wearing and took photos of her later dressed up as a St Trinian's schoolgirl at the party.

    2010 Harry Cook continued to put his hands down my daughter's bra on many occasions during karate lessons. She was aged 16 and 17 at the time.

    In Oct 2010 when my daughter was 17 he showed her discreetly some topless photos of girls while the rest of the karate class were training. Harry asked my daughter if he could take some photos of her like this. My daughter agreed as she did not know what to say. After that my daughter unbeknown to me stopped going to karate.

    In Nov/Dec 2010, Harry Cook texted my daughter many times asking her to come to his place to do those photos.

    In Feb 2011 after my daughter has taken some exams, she was taken to karate I thought she had missed just the one month due to study. Harry Cook touched her breasts in this lesson. She stopped going to karate again, I was not aware she had stopped again.

    In Mar/Apr 2011 when my daughter turned 18 Harry Cook sent her lots of texts asking her to come round to his house as he was alone and they could take those topless photos of her. She ran away from home without explanation for a few days.

    End of Apr 2011, my daughter ran away from home for 8 days again without explanation, but it was due to Harry texting her all the time again. When I eventually found my daughter and brought her back home, she broke down and told the family what Harry Cook had been doing to her all these years. From this moment on our lives have been a nightmare, for my daughter the nightmare still goes on but at least Harry Cook is in custody.

    I am sure you will agree that my daughter has been very brave in coming forward. Although at huge personal costs to her and the family not only from now onwards but over the years proceeding, we all know she has done the correct thing. If more people can come forward who have been affected by Harry Cook at whatever time in the past, then that would help in what is already a strong case against him. I know my daughter has now put a stop to this sick individual from ever doing this type of thing in the future and has saved many young girls from his evil clutches.

    We all hope that Harry Cook is locked away from many many years and I know we have the backing of the karate world, his previous friends, his family and anyone who knew him. Harry Cook will be sentenced on Friday 17th June at Newcastle Crown Court and I am sure he will get a very lengthy sentence.

    Harry Cook has committed many offences and there are many counts of sexual assault of a child under 13, under 16 and under 18. He has committed sexual harassment offences against my daughter, abused his position of trust, been child grooming my daughter for his own perverted persuasions and in possession of indecent photographs. So far he has been charged with 6 offences, there are very likely more to come in the months ahead.

    Harry Cook will be sentenced on Friday 17th June at Newcastle Crown Court and I am sure he will get a very lengthy sentence which will be added to as the police continue their investigations....
  16. Blade96

    Blade96 shotokan karateka

    As a victim of abuse my self, I find myself agreeing with 47 martial man. No sympathy at all for harry cook.

    My sympathy goes to his wife/kids, his students who would be affected and of course, the victim (s) and their families.
  17. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    I know it will take many years for some of it to "heal", although it will never be a complete healing.

    As a retired counselor, my deepest and warm heartfelt sympathy.
  18. Guyin

    Guyin Old Cynic

    KarateBob - this is the sad reality of the internet.....

    Given the seriousness of the charges against Cook I'm sure we can all imagine the worst from creeps like this guy, none of it pleasant at all.

    It's an awful situation for any family of a victim, but posting accounts of abuse without any verification of your identity or credibility of facts is too much to swallow.

    Anonymity on the web is a dangerous thing - any Tom, Dick.. or Harry can post anything.
  19. Putrid

    Putrid Moved on

    I find it hard to believe that this was going on for so long and senior students didn't know anything about it.If they were suspicious and covered it up to protect Cook and his postion it leaves a lot of questions that need answering.
  20. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    I would provide proof of a 'coverup' before I suggested such a thing on an internet forum.
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