Guard Pulling With Immpunity

Do you feel that pulling guard should be kirbed to premote a better stand up game or do you see it as an intergal part of BJJ, and if you were to try how would you do it, allow slams, no pulling guard until one takedown has been scored previously, restart from the feet if the person can hold you up for a certain amount of time ?

 

Guard pulling is fine the way it is. BJJ is a great sport because it has such an open ruleset. Shouldn't change IMO.

 

but is that actually written down in gospel anywhere ?

why do you not see at as important ? I'm not trying to get on at you just genuinely curious to hear your answer, its an attitude that always truly befuddled me.

 

Most days I look at guard pulling as a free pass or fear of my l33t standup skills. :]

 

Maybe your right if your training is focused on scoring points, mines isn't and I'v not trained anywhere yet were it was. When you start to understand it grappling (call it Judo, call it wrestling or BJJ) should be a dynamic thing, the flow from feet to ground back to feet etc should be seamless, the ok we are standing ok now this is the groundwork attitude is bad in my opinion, its bad for each individual art let alone saying you should go to one place to learn one and another to learn the other, I'm not saying the focus shouldn't be different but I'm never going to accept that its ok to ignore the Ground or the Feet in any grappling style, if taking someone off there feet is a very small component for most BJJ practitioners I'm thankful to train where I do.

 

Well I'm no ground expert but I've been working on ground technique for about a year now and here's my two cents worth on the topic. If your going to allow combat to continue after the fight goes to the ground at all then the fact is if you can't survive on the bottom positions then your gonna lose fights, so for the sake of finding out who's better than who you have to allow a guy to hold his opponent in his guard as long as he needs to, it's simple he's good at surviving in the bottom positions the guy on top of him needs to knock him out or submit him if he can't after a few minutes stand them back up and see what happens next.
From what I can tell the guy who pulls a lot of guard or that is on his back often usually gets worn out and loses anyway, sometimes this isn't the case if he's really well conditioned. So my take is yea let them pull guard and stand them back up if there's no action, anyone who uses guard to stall loses points after a warning, that's just my unprofessional opinion though.

 

I think you misunderstood, my issue is not with the guard position or playing a bottom game, I think that is a very important aspect of grappling arts like Sport Sambo, CACC and maybe Judo (does closed guard count as being pinned in Judo ?) neglect to there own detriment making it one of BJJ's strongest trait's, its the passivity in the stand up portion of a match jumping guard encourages, and the attitude southpaw expressed that isn't an uncommon one of why should I bother because its not going to win me fights, I take issue with. I think a way of making the take down more important would change this attitude and be healthier for the art in general, although I wouldn't mind seeing a set of universal grappling rules come to prominence and BJJ can just stay the way it is.

 

its not jack of all trades because its the one trade ! that's my point, example the Wrestler who executes a perfect double and gets choked out how many early style vs style matches are there on you tube were that happens or the excellent ground fighter who gets his face busted because he can't take the fight to his strong point.

my problem is not with the art its with the most prominent set of rules.

change the rules so that it does more to help them to win, do this and you have something better for self defence, something more applicable to other theatres MMA etc, something more exciting to watch and compete in my opinion, whether this would still be BJJ or something new is open to debate.

 

Just learn to counter the guard pull, this is best done by grip fighting, attacking the ass back head down stance, and the liberal use of footsweeps.

 

Hahaha your a smotherer arnt you!

 

Your confusing mma with bjj here my friend, anyone who punches me in a gi comp is getting upkicked straight away.

 

Ahhh your a head turner via elbows as well arnt you.

Try using a far collar grip /shoulder hood and using the forearm to turn it.

Its higher percentage and doesnt damage your partners teeth.

There a lad at ours who trained elsewhere first who does this, noone good rolls with him as they cant be bothered risking getting hurt, so hes not getting better.

 

I honestly don't mind it. My wife says excessive guard pulling is a sign a person doesn't have a great takedown game. She then proceeds to judo the crap out of them. I think any BJJ player who takes their sport even semi-seriously should crosstrain in judo. The gripfighting skills it develops are worth it.

But I comb peoples' hair with my foot so what do I know?