do you use them? what's your opinion on them? forearm chokes from the top are more dangerous than most chokes and are extremely painful and uncomfortable. however, most of the people i roll with, use forearm chokes and seem to think of them as an acceptable training method. last night, i used two forearm chokes on a new guy as retaliation for his rough and fool rolling. he was frustrated and upset because i had tapped him out with a series of armbars and triangles. i don't mind when people roll hard, but i do mind when they roll "angry."
I'm not sure what you mean, but I like to go for a strangle from the top in judo sometimes where you put one forearm across their neck, and one underneath the back of their neck, then grab your own sleeves and squeeze.
If I understand correctly, by Forearm choke you are referring to a wind choke applied against the front of the throat with the forearm. This choke is EXTREMELY distracting and painful, and once you slap one on the defender can rarely focus on anything else. However, it is for this reason that I rarely apply them in randori or freestyle. To be honest, blood chokes are typically quicker, easier, and more "sneaky". By "sneaky", I mean that they can creep up on you and knock you out before you know whats going on. May you achieve Satori
The 'X' choke i believe its called I think is quite nasty, you can apply your full weight to it and its tricky to escape from
I use forearm chokes but i would not use it on a guy in spite just because of his fool rolling. If i dont use then on my students and them on me then we will never learn to counter them. Oh also i believe the 'X' strangle is for cutting off blood supply (caratoid arteries) and not one with the forearm on the wind pipe I "think" he meant this choke and not the cross lapel strangle or 'X' strangle.
i like that one. the rnc has been banned by some police districts in the u.s. due to cops applying the choke with the forearm, thus killing some people. the cops wold apply too much force for too long w/ the forearm then would subsequently crush the windpipe.
There's nothing wrong with forearm chokes per se. The ezequiel choke, for example, is a legitimate and effective submission. But to me there's a difference between actually working efficiently for a choke and just bothering someone by leaning on their windpipe. You see new, clumsy people all the time trying to crush people's throats while still inside their guard. I get annoyed when I see someone working that on someone else much smaller than them, or one of the women in class. When someone tries that on me, they're apt to get put into an arm triangle and have their neck cranked pretty hard.
Here's an interesting article from bjj.org on the subject. Not sure where the original article was published but I've seen it reproduced on several sites http://www.bjj.org/articles/971006-choke/
if your talking about putting your fore arm on some ones throat while your opponnent is in the gaurd. then i wouldnt dare try to use that one. one if your opponent is skill he can use an arm drag and land a rear choke and among other submissions.two it sets up for sweeps such as a star sweep things like that. so as far as people doing it to me i encourage them too i even act as if its working until im ready to strike. i would rather them do this then have them trying to break my gaurd.
i wasn't talking about applying the choke from inside someone's guard but from the mount, side control, or 1/2 guard top. the old throat crush from inside someone's guard is a classic beginner's mistake. however, a well timed and place ezequiel may be effective while in someone's guard.
Start mounted on someone. Slide your left arm under your opponent's head, so that your left hand emerges to the right of his head. With your left hand, grab your right sleeve, fingers inside the sleeve, palm down. Place the edge of your right forearm on the person's throat. Lift both of your elbows, levering your right forearm down into his throat.
Can anyone post a picture? I can't think what you mean? How does lifting the elbows apply the leverage to the throat?
A lot of people I've rolled with use their forearm on your throat as a distraction while they are standing to pass your guard. It certainly distracts me. I haven't been able to do anything with the arm while their weight is on it so far, although I can think of lots of things I'd like to do. Like you say, if they are still kneeling in your guard, their weight isn't on it, so its different.
"Can anyone post a picture? I can't think what you mean? How does lifting the elbows apply the leverage to the throat?" I've been trying without success to find you a picture. Get a partner and go through the steps I discussed and you'll probably see it. Your right forearm becomes a lever, the gripped sleeve the fulcrum, and the upper forearm/wrist presses down hard into the throat as the elbow rises.
Thanks for trying to find a picture...I've had a search too (even looked on all the judo sites for a trad choke applying the same principle) - couldn't find anything! Tried it as described and it seems too easy to defend by simply pulling away the right hand from the throat. To compensate you need to grip both sleeves with both hands and bring the elbows & weight down towards the mat/opponent, effectively squashing the throat between both arms.
Many guys will trap the opponent's arm in their half guard and ezekiel them. It doesn't really choke, it just hurts like hell.