Fist and Shout Elements

Discussion in 'Kenpo' started by United We Fall, Jun 8, 2007.

  1. United We Fall

    United We Fall New Member

    Down at the Ryukyu Kempo Dojo I go to we are taught to make a fist like you normally would, but you place your fingers at the palm (?) of your hand next to the thumb. Each finger has a different element the index finger being wood, the HELLO finger being fire, and the others I don't know. Is this an effective way to attack? I know if you that if you strike specific pressure point it makes it hurt a heck of a lot worse. Also what shouts are used to enhance elemental strikes?
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2007
  2. Yohan

    Yohan In the Spirit of Yohan Supporter


    I'd love to see where this goes, but at the moment, it looks inextricably dumb.
  3. United We Fall

    United We Fall New Member

    All that you are really doing with the elemental fists and shouts is you changing the polarity in your body making the attack hurt a lot worse. When you strike a pressure point you send an electrical current throughout the body's nerves into the brain causing increased pain or making the body to function a specific way.
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2007
  4. KenpoDavid

    KenpoDavid Working Title

    I've found that keeping the index finger straight, other fingers curled, when punching, changes the shape of the fist just slightly, and gives the knuckles better penetration (I think due to less surface area in contact). When hitting my heavy bag I can clearly see a difference in the impression it leaves. When hitting a person they report significant difference.

    Energetically, I'm not sure I go allthe way with you there, but I do practice some qi gung. My feeling on that is maybe the hand is not as tightly clenched, allowing for better energy transfer?? I don't know about that really, that's just how it feels.

  5. KenpoDavid

    KenpoDavid Working Title


    I've heard and read and felt how making differnet sounds can change the results of what youa re doing with arms and hands. however I have not trained to actually implement any of that. But, I know people that do train that and it seems to work for them. I've felt it first hand.

    NOTE: I am specifically NOT talking about no-touch KOs or kiai-jutsu or anything like that. I am talking about making one sound or another while you strike or twist etc. Variations on the "kiai".
  6. BGile

    BGile Banned Banned

    Smilar situation and thinking

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    Bout dem want fi dis Basement Jaxx after all
    When we check it out dem a brain it small
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    Crowd de pon di receiving end dema a bawl
    Who dem a bawl for
    Basement name dem call
    True dem play sweet music fi one and all
    Di people dem a beg di super DJ fi more
    Because dem love di way wi play di hardcore
    Dem a jump and shout like a goal jus score
    Watch how dem bubblin pon di dancefloor di vibes dem hot and di music wicked
    Wi come fi nice up di life weh you live
    Jump an shout an tell dem be positive
    "ive di life you love love di life you live
    Some say dem a badman but dema big fugitive
    How de fi pop off de gun no want nobody fi live
    If dem a badman then nobody should dead
    All know dem deh a dem yard with dem bible a beg
    But some a fool never know di rule
    Dem never did got to Basement Jaxx school
    Be we’s willing fi teach dem fi a shilling
    Make sure he’s not di next victim in in a killing
    ’Cos we have di knowledge we go a good college A’ in a history and home economics
    An wi love music that’s why wi bust up di garage
    If a guy want test wi him dead
    Gotta Jump n’ Shout...
    Got a Jump n’ Shout...
  7. Yohan

    Yohan In the Spirit of Yohan Supporter

    It's all about variation in breathing methods.
  8. Gufbal1981

    Gufbal1981 waiting to train...

    Gary, what is this? Are you turning into a Rap Artist now?
  9. KempoFist

    KempoFist Attention Whore

    Just when I thought threads on here couldn't get any dumber....
  10. KempoFist

    KempoFist Attention Whore

    In short: NO!

    Now go train, and pretend this thread never happened!
  11. Melanie

    Melanie Bend the rules somewhat.. Supporter

    Thanks for your input - but we all started once - please play nice - you were 16 once.. :)
  12. BGile

    BGile Banned Banned

    I just think this thread makes about as much sense as the lyics.
    Actually I like the lyrics LOL :)

    Kempofist is right on.

  13. SiAiS

    SiAiS Moved on

    You know...

    I'm still nice with my cooked Game
    Look man, it's a hood thang
    That's why I'm loved in Brooklane

    I handle mine just like a real shizzle should
    If I do some time, homey, I'm still all good

    Let me show you wat a thug 'bout
    Born to die
    I took the bullets out of 50
    put in in my fo five

    And I ant even got ma'feet wet yet
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2007
  14. Gufbal1981

    Gufbal1981 waiting to train...

    Nice one...
  15. United We Fall

    United We Fall New Member

    Basically when you make a "wood fist" are Charging the body. When you Charge the body your polarity changes and when you strike a pressure point while charging (not talking about wood fist, just charging in general ) you get more of an effect out it. Wood Fist is just basically charging your fist when you strike, but it makes it hurt worse when you strike a specific pressure point. And trust me after being the ginny pig for a few of ‘em HURTS like crap after being shown the difference between a normall strike and a Wood Fist. While you get just a tad bit more oomph, another type of charge (such as striking the leg, but not to hard to hurt yourself) it can be pretty painful.
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2007
  16. KempoFist

    KempoFist Attention Whore

    What you are describing is not founded in science, nor reality. I do not know who told you all this, but they are making it up as they go along.
  17. United We Fall

    United We Fall New Member

    Oh well poo... I thought it was all real too. Oh well. (And no I ain’t being sarcastic)
  18. John Bishop

    John Bishop Valued Member

    Can you cite some independent scientific research that supports this claim?
  19. pauli

    pauli mr guillotine

    well shake it up baby, now...
  20. Gufbal1981

    Gufbal1981 waiting to train...

    There is a 5-element theory in TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) but I'm not sure how it would correlate to this...

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