Entirely my bad on the thread drift. Really sorry to see @Mitlov leave and now we're a bunch of stupid brits with no skin in the game discussing a subject at arms length. @Mitlov - apologies for my part in the thread drift and any offensive I caused, i maybe didn't Express myself well but really value your opinion if youd like to weigh in on the below? Totally understand if youre done with this thread. I do think it's useful to understand the motives of people (not sympathise or compromise but understand). Understanding why people thought insurrection was the right option is important for shifting those people back to normality. Its hard to talk about the USA and not make reference to the most famous example of fascism (nazi germany and by extension the fate of Jewish people) but it's often repeated that the death camps and the country in general werent manned by monstrous people, they were regular people being monstrous and acting in monstrous ways. To not understand what shifts regular people to do extreme things means we cut off any chance of preventing such extreme things. But we most certainly should not sympathise. So why did so many people buy into such madness: - was it the status of the USA as a declining world power? - the very real lack of strides in quality of life for many Americans for a good decade at least (which has been placated with useless consumer goods until severe economic downturn)? - the growing economic inequality between rich and poor? - the lack of trust in the political system?