FBI warns of plans for nationwide armed protests next week

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  1. Mitlov

    Mitlov Shiny

    I don't agree with the accuracy of that symbolic assertion, from what I've seen working in government.

    More importantly, I don't think the fact that a crime was done for symbolic purpose makes it okay. Plenty of people could articulate a symbolic purpose to last week's assault on the US Capitol. Doesn't make it okay.

    Trashing a Starbucks or graffiting a hardware store is a crime, and a crime worth prosecuting in my eyes. It's just decidedly less serious of a crime than killing a cop while trying to kidnap a Congressperson.
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  2. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    I dont agree with certaim anarchist ideas of state either, theres clear a tug of war within government and "the state" about the role of the state. But its certainly worth understanding their POV just as its important to understand far right ideas.

    I would agree, all crimes are crimes but not all crimes are equal.

    Killing a person, trying to over throw lawful democracy and attempting to harm elected officials is a far greater crime than property damage.

    I think this an incredibly important distinction - the "far anarchist left" are valuing life first and foremost (hence why theyve supported blm) but the far right dont value life. This is a clear ideological difference in values.
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  3. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    ^ whilst I agree with that 100%

    Many of the less extreme republicans don't see it that way, (they're wrong of course) but many in their base think BLM and Antifa etc are thugs, and that the violence from the right, is reactionary from that. You would hope after 6/1 that would be clearly untrue, but a good proportion of the right have seen fox news and other propoganda stations minimise what actually happened.

    It seems like having a free and accurate press really is important in keeping a nation free.
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  4. David Harrison

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    Interestingly, I just saw that this has become too crazy even for Alex Jones.

    There's footage of him on the 6th telling his crowd to stay in the areas they have permits for and not to fight the police. He has also now denounced the whole Q phenomenon on his show.

    Maybe he's learnt that law suits are bad for business?
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  5. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    I genuinely think that their ideology is so heavy into capitalist culture (the orientation of society around capital and its accumulation through private property) that to them, destroying a Starbucks or looting is on par with murder.

    "Who will pay for someone's lost business" - mate, why do you have a government if they arent helping to meet your basic needs during a personal emergency...
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  6. Dead_pool

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  7. Dead_pool

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    And yet most of the protestors, don't have capital, don't own their own house, and are heavily in debt.

    Capitalists arnt poor, you need capital to be a capitalist, otherwise your just a simp.
  8. Dead_pool

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    Market forces are king! Haha
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  9. David Harrison

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    It is the principle on which the nation was founded.

    Interesting essay from a conservative perspective: The Primacy of Property Rights and the American Founding | David Upham
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  10. David Harrison

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  11. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Trump supporters are, on average, more wealthy than people who voted for Biden:

  12. Dead_pool

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    I may be reading that wrong, but it looks like more democrats earn over 100k then trump voters?
    (I may well be reading it wrong though)

    You got a link?

    Also I said protestors, not voters, the extreme element are generally not the rich ones.
  13. Dead_pool

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    From the FT

    3. Trump lost support among low-income voters, but gained with the rich Voters from wealthy households swung further towards Mr Trump in 2020. Just over half of those whose family income was more than $100,000 a year supported the president, compared with 45 per cent in 2016. By contrast, those making family incomes of less than $50,000 voted Democratic by an 11.5-point margin (55 to 43), compared to an 8.2-point Democratic margin in 2016 (50 to 42).

    Interesting, I notice it's also family income, not individual income.

    I'll try to find a better breakdown.

    Netherless, the actual ground troops are not ones with capitol.
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  15. Mitlov

    Mitlov Shiny

    I'm not going to agree that left-wing extremists inherently value life and thus only damage property not people. They have been guilty of attacks fundamentally inconsistent with that; it's just that these attacks are, statistically, more rare in modern America than right-wing attacks. Some examples:

    Massacre of law enforcement in Dallas in 2016 (15 officers shot, 6 killed) during a BLM protest;

    An increasing trend of targeted assassinations of law enforcement officers like this incident: Attacks against the police are organized and violent

    The 2014 assassination of Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu.

    Weather Underground Organization bombings of the late 1960s and 70s;

    The hijacking of an Air France airliner by Germany's Revolutionary Front and the PFLP and taking of 106 hostages (all non-Jews released; Jews held hostage regardless of nationality).

    Tolerance for violent rhetoric in the American far left is pretty high, in my personal experience, so long as it's targeted at law enforcement or at "Zionists". I'm not saying Antifa types are statistically equally violent in practice as Proud Boy types are--they're not--but I definitely wouldn't call them a bunch of pacifists either.
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  16. Dead_pool

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    I'm just looking up some of these incidents,

    The Dallas shooting, the person is question is ex army with PTSD, he has no history of anything left wing, and was instead interested in black nationalism, am I missing something?

    2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia
  17. Dead_pool

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    These NY shootings too, there's nothing that says the murderer was left wing, apart from that he was black: NY Daily News - We are currently unavailable in your region

    There is left wing violence of course, but your examples of it arnt really good examples from what I can see, and I am fully ready to be corrected on that.
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  18. David Harrison

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    Dallas shooting suspect's online posts reflect anger, frustration

    Black Liberation Army - Wikipedia

    Gotta give Mitlov that one, because if it had been a white guy with a neo-nazi image on his facebook profile we wouldn't hesitate to attribute the attack to white nationalism.
  19. David Harrison

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    Yeah, Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley had links to a black nationalist cult, but they were into pyramids and UFOs, not socialism. Can't find any reason to call him left wing.
  20. Mitlov

    Mitlov Shiny

    As David Harrison said. Also, modern politics make for strange alliances, and a growing segment of the American left has very favorable to Black Nationalist movements, such as the Women's March ties to Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, even though some of those groups are not "liberal" in ideology in isolation.

    The Women’s March changed the American left. Now anti-Semitism allegations threaten the group’s future.

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