EU referendum

Discussion in 'Off Topic Area' started by cloudz, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Dirham and Rupee are both down by roughly 10% against the pound. So it's not going to be cheaper.
  2. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    Other factors effect price too. It's early days but at the moment Morroco works out for us.
  3. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Yeah, but the fact is, Morocco costs you 10% more now than it did pre-referendum.
  4. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    Or they can afford to absorb it whilst we pay the same; to get the new business. The main factor in prices tends to always be supply and demand. At the moment demand is on the low side, so we are still in a decent position when it comes to negotiating our 'making prices'.

    If our and our competitors order books were full, there would be much less production capacity and that could command a better price. But as it stands, it's better for production sites to be working than not working.

    The lower demand in the retail market is most likely also down to uncertainty fueled by Brexit. Of course I would rather it were busier, but it happens.
    Also this isn't like a commodity, like say coffee, we are buying labour only in these particular transactions.

    I'm not an expert in Labour and its costs/ availability in Morroco, but I do know that in Romania they have been struggling in this area for a while.
    My feeling is that in the context of Romania and this industry the currency move is akin to the straw that's stressing the camals back.

    On the other hand, I think there could be something of a rally back up to around the 1.50 mark on Cable (GB/US) at least going into the summer. But that's another story.

    David; the extra transportation cost is not that big of a factor. We have tried making as far afield as China, and to tell the truth the main obstacle is the time factor for us in that example, rather than the costs involved. So for example lower labour costs ('making price') can often make up for increased transportation as the labour cost is always that much higher and significant.
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  5. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Thanks for answering :)
  6. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    Election called by PM, good move I think. Was needed. Once they get the landslide win she can get on and act as she sees fit, without all the democracy getting in the way.. I can only see the opposition getting obliterated right now, this might be a good thing as maybe something better can emerge from the rubble.

    Right now our opposition is the worst in my lifetime, maybe something new could emerge?
    But I won't hold my breath. The sooner Labour can get shot of that ridiculous throwback loony tune the better. He's been a gift that keeps giving for the Conservatives, that's for sure.

    On another note, I didn't know much about Theresa May before she took the job, but have been very pleasently surprised by her leadership. Could not have hoped for a better PM in this time.
  7. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    I'm not sure history shows many 1 party governments ending well for anybody.
    Labour are going to take a pasting, and they deserve even worse than they are going to get.
    Which part do you like the best? The part where she threw her lot in with Donald Trump? The bit where she repeatedly refused to offer guarantees to EU citizens already living here? The continued turmoil on the rails and in the NHS? The broken manifesto promises leading to budget U-turns. Her premiership has been one bungle after the other - the only reason she looks good is because Brexit overshadows everything.
  8. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    I haven't come across a political leader yet, I think, that can please all of the people all of the time. In regards to manifesto and budget, I don't agree its fair to criticize for what has been inherited. I think they have some leeway now to set out what they are about or what their aims and direction is. But sure right now Brexit is huge.. As for Trump, I think she did the smart and shrewd thing, anything else would have been a naive reaction that I'm sure would be popular, but popular is not always in a countries best interest.

    I'd like a stronger opposition, sure, but maybe in this moment a strong government is preferable to a weak one. At least she can be decisive if as is likely the conservatives gain a stronger majority. I've been around when leaders / parties have had a strong majority in the UK, I'm not sure it's so much the majority that matters rather some smart people talking sense and challenging government policies where necessary - giving a credible alternative. We haven't had that for a little while, so maybe this is an opportunity to usher in a new leadership of the opposition.
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  9. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Because democracy is a bad thing?

    I think this thread is a great example of the dunning- kruger effect.
  10. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    No, it was a figure of speech, rather than a literal thing, but I would think most semi intelligent folks would catch my drift. But take as long as you need!

    If you are at war, do you think it's better to have one strong leader making decisions or having 10 comittee meeting to agree and decide one call ?
    The point is sometimes in times of stress and pressure and conflicting opinions - it's better to have decisive action over back and forth arguing and hold ups.

    It's not my fault your brain reads everything so literally - it really is a handicap for you. We might not be at war, literally... But we are in a "battle". I'll give you time.

    Or your statement is a far better one.
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  11. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    the interesting thing about it is democracy is all fine and dandy when your referendum has to be implemented. but when it comes to other peoples' thoughts on how to move forward and whether the referendum is even a good idea, or even the rule of law then it's bad. nice touch there.

    honestly, i can't wait for two years from now. europe is better off. that giant sucking sound you're going to hear is capital leaving london and going to paris and munich.
  12. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    There's a time for pragmatism and that's now. If you think it's wrong to implement the result, then we'll agree to disagree. But excuse me for beleiving the best thing for my country right now is to be pragmatic and get on with things from a strong and clear position and without the prospect of in fighting handicapping our negotiating.

    It's obvious that those of you shackled to the remain side (I voted remain btw) are going to see it from another perspective. You know I can respect that, it's just a shame when you can't give the same consideration. And in the case of Dead Pool resorting to personal attacks.

    None of us can go back and change the result. We can though learn to live with it. If people simply doing that threatens you or others, that's not really my problem.
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  13. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    it doesn't threaten me in the least.

    actually, i believe the best thing that can happen is putting know-nothings and bigots in charge. i think it's good for your country and good for mine. we've had it too good in our country for too long with a competent professional in charge. conservatives own the congress, executive and the supreme court in my country, and we still can't get anything done! there hasn't been one bill of consequence passed. i'm 99% positive that my government will shut down in april, even though one party controls everything.
  14. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    dude, my president can't even send a bunch of warships to the right place. and your pm is aligning herself with that fool. lulz.
  15. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    Ok fine. Maybe it didn't apply to you but generally people who go on the attack for no good reason, do it because in some way they are feeling threatened. It's understandable that Brexit does threaten many remainers way of life and beliefs etc. Similar probably applies to the US and what's happening there politically. People are (or have been) attacking eachother left right and centre, twisting things until they are almost unrecognisable.

    "Know nothing" and "bigot" is not how I see Mrs May, so we can agree to disagree on that score too.

    You'll be shutting down because you hit your debt ceiling (again) real soon I gather, or in other words run out of cash. So yea, good luck with that Giovanni.
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  16. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Some of us, know were arnt at war with the world, (and even when we literally were, we still had parliament) and know parliamentary oversight is essential, as we renegotiate our position in the world.

    plus brexit was about parliamentary soverignty, so maybe parliament should really be soverign, the country is too important to risk to the whims of any one person
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2017
  17. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    If the referendum gave a clear and strong mandate, then I'd agree with you. As it is, I don't think it's wise to ignore such a large portion of the populace, who's voices are heard through their elected representatives in parliament.
  18. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    We are going to have tough negotiations with Europe, the people that matter are doing the right things to give themselves the best chance of a favourable outcome. Picking on my use of "democracy" and twisting it to have a cheap pop at me that is nothing but strawman rubbish and devisive is pathetic. And from a guy who has a list of fallacies in his signature. Your discussion and "argument" here is fallacy at it's finest. All you can do is try to attack me and twist my words into what you want them to mean.

    Whims of one person ?
    You have to be joking right. This calling of a snap election is our democracy at work, no one is breaking any rules. This is our democracy. Stop jumping on individual words or phrases because they aren't literal enough for you and listen to what people are really saying about a situation. Is it really that hard to read between the lines. No it is not, so stop being devisive trying to pick a fight with me for no good reason.

    Disagree, give reason, be objective, say your opinion. Talk current affairs like and adult with me or just don't bother replying if all you have to say is twisting crap and attacking "the person".
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  19. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    I think ignored is a strong stance to take. Probably unfair, I think at this stage you have to know more or less what you want from a deal as you are set to head into negotiations. The people elected to the head of the table should have heard all sides now and formulated their plan. If you think trying to please everyone is the best way ahead at this stage, I think you are wrong.

    Everyone pretty much knows where various sides stand in the debate, the time for all that is behind us know. Idealism is all very well up to a point, now we have to get on with this divorce and at times it will probably get pretty tough. The election is a sound idea that makes sense at this stage on more than one level. Peoples voices are heard and will be in the upcoming election, they will go out and vote for their representatives and what they stand for in six weeks time.
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2017
  20. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    If your statements arnt to be taken literally, maybe you could try posting in a clearer (and calmer) manner.

    Ive already addressed clearly the rest of you post previously.

    parliament is sovereign, and parliamentary oversight is essential, otherwise all your left with is one persons whims, and that's not the role of a prime minister.

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