I am trying to find styles that train the katas listed below. These are supposedly the original 24 Okinawan katas of Naha-te, Tomari-te and Shuri-te. If your style trains any of these, please post the style name, which are trained, and (if you know) what is your main/master kata. -thanks. 01. Chinte 02. Chinto (Gankaku) 03. Lorei (Meikyo) 04. Jiin 05. Jion 06. Jutte (Jitte) 07. Kururunfa 08. Kushanku (Kanku) 09. Matsukase (Wan_kan) 10. Naihanchi (Tekki) 11. Niseishi (Nijushiho) 12. Ouseishi (Gojushiho) 13. Passai (Bassai) 14. Saifa 15. Sanchin 16. Sanseru 17. Seienchin (Saipa) 18. Seipai 19. Seisan (Hengetsu) 20. Shisochin 21. Sochin 22. Suparumpei 23. Unsu 24. Wanshu (Enpi)
according to my syllabus I will eventually learn Seipai, Sanchin, and Suparumpei (maybe one or tow more even) but I haven't reached them yet. I think these got into this style through the founder's goju influcences. KD
Kyokushinkai Karate, founder's name is Mas Oyama, but I believe he took these from Goju Ryu. The main kata would be Sanchin, at a guess, but I'm not sure. Saifa, Sanchin and Seipai
02. Chinto 05. Jion 08. Kushanku ( 10. Naihanchi 12. Gojushiho 13. Passai 19. Seisan 24. Wanshu Those are the forms that are in my style from what you listed. Matsumura Shorin Ryu
Goju-ryu: 07. Kururunfa 14. Saifa 15. Sanchin 16. Sanseru 17. Seienchin (Saipa) 18. Seipai 19. Seisan (Hengetsu) 20. Shisochin 22. Suparumpei Sanchin is the linchpin of the style.
Break down by town origin Here is the original list broken down by originating town/style: Naha: 07. Kururunfa 14. Saifa 15. Sanchin 16. Sanseru 17. Seienchin (Saipa) 18. Seipai 19. Seisan (Hengetsu) 20. Shisochin 22. Suparumpei Shuri: 01. Chinte 08. Kushanku (Kanku) 12. Ouseishi (Gojushiho) 13. Passai (Bassai) Tomari: 11. Niseishi (Nijushiho) 21. Sochin 23. Unsu Both Shuri and Tomari: 02. Chinto (Gankaku) 04. Jiin 05. Jion 06. Jutte (Jitte) 03. Lorei (Meikyo) 09. Matsukase (Wan_kan) 10. Naihanchi (Tekki) 24. Wanshu (Enpi)
08. Kushanku (Kanku)- Kanchu? 15. Sanchin-Main Kata 16. Sanseiru 19. Seisan (Hengetsu) Uechi Ryu Karate.
Kanchu isn't Kanku/Kushanku. Kanku is the name given to Kushanku by Funakoshi. Kanchu is a kata authored and developed by Kanbun Uechi. Some Uechi dojo spell the kata "Kanshu". Rob
Wan_kan isn't Matsukase - at least not the Matsukase of the Shukokai lineage. Unless of course the Shukokai people I know got it wrong......its happened
Oh yes it is. (but a qualifier) Matsukaze of Shi_to Ryu = Matsukaze of Shukokai (naturally) = Wan_kan of Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu The Wan_kan of Shotokan is a completely different kata, unrelated to the Wan_kan of Shi_to Ryu or Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu. Yes, what's up with you guys? Rob
Re: Break down by town origin Are you sure Chinte is from Shuri?I've never done that form in my years of training........
Re: Re: Break down by town origin So? How many has that been, and what styles does that encompass? Mabuni classified the kata as being an Itosu kei kata, and states that he learned it from Itosu. FWIW. Rob
In my style (Shorin Ryu of mixed Matsumura and Kobayashi lineage) 10. Naihanchi (Tekki) 13. Passai (Bassai) 19. Seisan (Hengetsu) up to Shodan (I don't know above this) One question I have is how many different Seisan kata are there? I have three listed in the literature I have: 1) Shorin-Ryu - thought to derive from Matsumura through Aragaki, Kiyan or Motobu. 2) Goju-Ryu Reportedly handed down by Higashionna Kanryo from a chinese form 3) Uechi-Ryu - Uechi Kambun based on Pangainoon form. Can any Uechi / Goju people confirm these origins?
I was just checking to see if he happened to mispell it. Thanks for letting me know . ***1) Shorin-Ryu - thought to derive from Matsumura through Aragaki, Kiyan or Motobu. 2) Goju-Ryu Reportedly handed down by Higashionna Kanryo from a chinese form 3) Uechi-Ryu - Uechi Kambun based on Pangainoon form. Can any Uechi / Goju people confirm these origins?******* All I know is what I was told. That Master Kanbun Uechi brought it over from Fukien province China.
The JKA have 26 recognised kata, many taken from Okinawa by Funokoshi Sensei. My web site has a JKA Kata section that is quite interesting should anyone wanna take a look http://www.dartfordskc.co.uk
Xubis: you should link to: http://24fightingchickens.com/kata/index.html that you should do. Darn I've been too much kenshin
Chinto Rohai (Meikyo in Japanese systems - don't know why you've called it Lorei, I've never heard of that) Kusanku Naihanchi Useishi Passai Sanchin Seisan Mike - Shorin ryu with bits and bobs of other things.