Does Fornication deplete Chi?

i can already tell this thread will go down in MAP history

 

One thing i think could improve Chi and inner prowess is the anticipation of fornication.

I know if i think im going to get some love in, im on a high with excitement and im a buzz of happiness and energy.

However, once the fornication is over the last thing i would want or feel like doing is building up my chi. So i guess there could be some argument that in the time directly after sex it does deplete it. (although im no expert on what chi is) After sex the last thing i feel like doing is fighting. BUT on the other hand...you can feel excellent after sex so...

As long as your not in bed with someone you shouldn't be, i don’t think its worth worrying about

 

It really should..
One of my most favourite phrases includes the word doughnut as well as "rollin'" and "flyin'". Jam douhnuts are also great.


But please excuse my off topic, I've been playing with my jingo way too much lately and it's "driving me nuts! "

Oh that reminds me of a joke.. Guy goes to a doctor and says" doc, doc i've got this great big steering wheel attached to my ...

 

its driving my nuts!!

I wonder if you had your testicles and penis removed, would your Chi increase beyond master level proportions?

 

inthespirit,
Yes, this is the prime part behind Sexual Qigong. Due to this being a forum, I don't want to go into too much explanation, but this Qigong is different from your "typical" qigong. While there is visualization, the Sexual Qigong also takes a certain amount of muscle control. Also, you have to keep the mind on the moment so to speak, not necessarily reach a "euphoric state" as one tends to do. But stay calm and relaxed, this allows greater access to yin energy of the partner. This is also how you can remain grounded, what you are working with here is Qi, but also your Jing or essence.
This should be clarified, as sexual intercourse does not necessarily drain a male's Qi perse, but more precisely it drains their Jing or original essence. This is turn makes it more difficult for a male to cultivate their Jing to a Qi state, think kind of trying to start a fire w/o a match or fuel. It can be done, but it takes soooooo much more work.
As for what you explain, yes there are many dangers from doing Qigong and meditations wrong. However, most that are inexperienced that teach such don't know enough to really hurt people. Kundalini rising is a great example of how some people have went literally mad because of the rushing up of energy. This meditation should ONLY be performed WITH a qualified MASTER, My teacher also once told me there was a man in China doing Backwards walking Qigong. (this type of Qigong is good for the respiratory system) However, because this man overdid it, he almost died when he tried to walk any other way. This was because his respiratory system learned to function only with backwards walking.
This is why anyone out there seeking to learn Qigong or Meditation should be careful with teachers.

 

Thanks Taoquan.

I have not done this sort of practices in over two years. When I did train this stuff, I found it very useful for cultivating dantien qi and filling the 8 vessels. In my experience jing was the strongest source of qi that I experienced, have been thinking about getting back to it, but it really requires a lot of discipline and I like my beer a bit too much nowadays.

With regards to muscle control. I think that sort of method can be relinquished after some time. I found that after a while intention alone did the trick, though muscles were used primarily.

The crazy thing is, you can get these type of practices in a book from Mantak Chia. I remember reading a review on Amazon by some Swedish guy, he had no prior IMA or similar training, and started doing these sorts of practices, as a result he said his mental ability got significantly greater, but after a year or so he became psychotic and now has to take anti-psychotic meds, or something like that. In any case, this is not something one should take aberrantly, but you know that already.

 

Classic..

 

.dnim ruoy ot sgniht egnarts seod ti, gniht sdrawkcab ginklaw eht odrevo t’noD

I did find this:

Don’t think its something I would go for.. well maybe on a bike… no.. now I’m just back-pedalling..

 

Anyway, your wrists get loads of exercise !! BOOMBOOM

Your grip strength is Master level inthespirit-san.

 

Practice, practice, practice... what else can I say..

 

We actually use Running backwards in one of our MA. It does work with the respiratory system and builds the muscles in an entirely different way. It also requires the mind to work differently. I have not practiced it, but it sounds really cool to do.
Also in reference to Mantak Chia, be careful here, I have studied his work and was not a fan from the get go. It took me finding some of my exp. Qigong teachers to tell me that his stuff does not necessarily build a foundation correctly. I don't want to say much more, just be careful if this is what you are practicing.

 

"Does Fornication deplete Chi?"

Depends if you're doing it right or not!

 

Not sure - but it don't half make a mess of the keyboard!

 

Why is MAP full of naughty boys of late?? :love:

 

Women have to be on their guard from men stealing their Qi during sex.

Qi Vampires...

 

Once you've got their qi you can let yourself in and keep coming back

 

rotflmao

 

Because it is true?

It is about the amount and way sex occurs. Just like anything else, if you overdo something, you wear it out. Like many other things, if you do it wrong, something will break.

This is not true. In a later post in this thread a man relates how after sex he doesn't feel like doing anything. He is tired because he has been depleted by sexual activity.

I disagree with "We know that sex....does not shorten your lifespan". I know that excessive or incorrect sex can shorten the life span.

There. You just admitted what you denied above.

Because it is true. You are equating running or exercise with sexual activity. There are similarities...many more than you are thinking of. But sexual activity is unique in that it is the only exercise where the genitals are used. No matter what exercise you think of as a comparative example, it will not involve the genitals.

In order to understand why I believe what I do, you need to understand what sex is. Most people think that sex is reproduction, and the insertion of a tab into a slot. Sex has a much more profound effect on the body than that. When you understand exactly how sex changes the body, then the claim that sexual activity can damage the body will be more believable to you.

You seem upset by this subject. As if you think it might have something to it, but you don't want to believe it. Part of the problem is how you think. Look at how you described the human body and it's reactions to sex above. You discuss the heart and muscles etc.

But this is a kung fu forums and you are a kung fu man. Why aren't you using kung fu terminology?

How does sex affect the human body in terms of the external and internal parts of the body? Can you discuss how sex changes the internal and external parts of the body? If not, then you must admit that there could be a hole in your knowledge.

No. The reason is directly related to sexual activity. You will not understand me, but the sex pulls your eyes towards your genitals. That is why the eyes look sunken. They are trying to sink down to your genitals.

 

Your initial post made no distinction about over indulgence it simply stated that sex (fullstop) will "deplete chi, weaken you physically and shorten your lifespan". Of course, extreme over indulgence in sex would cause problems but I sincerely doubt they would be particularly serious for a male. Again sex is what your body is designed to do. Consider male porn stars they probably have sex on a much more regular and repetitive basis than your average joe and also for prolonged periods of time and yet I don't think they are known for developing severe physical health problems beyond the mental problems working in the porn industry occasionally entails.

Also while I am aware there are ways of damaging yourself during sex I have to say I think the likelihood of this happening is statistically very small. You wouldn't advocate not riding a bike because you might fall off would you? What ways do you believe people commonly damage themselves during sex?

Being tired as I pointed out is not a sign of an activity being bad for you. On the contrary tiring things are actually usually pretty good for you. What do you consider 'excessive' and 'incorrect' sex to be? and how do you know it shortens your life? Do you have any evidence for anything you believe beyond telling people to open their mind?

Sex involves physical exercise, physical exercise is good, ergo the physical exercise involved in sex is good for you. The stipulation your bringing up about your genitals is ridiculous... your genitals are not magical instruments they are a part of your body- you cannot do any exercise that involves your body without bringing your genitals with you. Obviously sex is somewhat different from exercise as it involves being aroused but thats the whole point of sex. A better distinction you could make is that sex involves ejaculation but then your going to have to show why ejaculating is bad for you and since scientists who have studied the human body and the processes involved with sex have found that all the evidence suggests that ejaculating is actually good for your body I'm not holding my breath for a decent reply.

You mean if I were to agree with you about what sex is and accept all your pseudo-waffle about what happens inside the body when your having sex then I would agree with you. Thats right I would but thats not going to happen unless you make some good arguments for your views on sex which so far are severely lacking! If your view on what sex is conflicts with reality then I don't see much reason to accept your view.

I'm not upset I'm amazed and amused that someone could make statements like you have as if they are fact. Also, for future reference it might be worth noting that if someone disagrees with you strongly it does not automatically mean it is because they sense there is something to your views it could just be because they think what you are saying is complete nonsense. The problem of how I think is apparently also your problem as I mentioned the heart and muscles because you mentioned them in your original post but regardless Im not gonna debate about chi just about the claims that sex weakens you physically and shortens your lifespan- so your physical body and its organs are probably the most relevant points of discussion.

1. I'm not a kung fu man.
2. This is the IMA forum it is for discussion of things relating to IMA but it is not reserved for people practicing kung fu.
3. We are discussing the basic way the human body functions it doesn't require kung fu terms.

It's amazing how creationist arguments pop up in any pseudo-science discussion. My knowledge of what goes on internally and externally during sex is based on experience and also on the evidence that experts who understand the human body and have spent years researching the effects during and after sex have produced. The knowledge that sex is not harmful is also borne out by simply thinking logically about what the human body is designed to do and why it would make no sense for it to be damaged by the act of procreation. Oh and last but not least even if my knowledge of the human body and sex was found to be extremely lacking it stil wouldn't prove your argument correct... someone not understanding everything about a topic does not mean A) that you do or B) that what they do understand is not relevant.

Your right I don't understand you because your talking nonsense. I don't know about you but when I am having sex I am not constantly trying to look at my genitals. It's physically impossible for your eyes to sink to your genitals so why would your body be designed to try this? Also if eyes worked like you seem to be suggesting wouldn't you just have eyes that were looking down after sex rather than sunken eyes?

 

ejaculation

I came across a book a while back, about Chinese medicine and sex. Unfortunately, I can't remember the title or the author, which doesn't give my posting much conviction. But, according to the book, semen is said to contain high levels of chi and ejaculating too often can seriously deplete your supply. The recommendation was to have sex about twice a week, so that your body has time to regenerate it's energy.

Incidentally, I think it could be quite unhealthy to completely abstain from sex. It's a great way to release excess energy and tension and let's your body refill itself with freshly-generated chi. It's the same as a healthy balance of training and rest, in my view.