Do you agree with Antony Cummins' perception about both Ninjutsu and the Ninja?

Discussion in 'Ninjutsu' started by thegoodguy, Aug 10, 2019.

  1. thegoodguy

    thegoodguy Valued Member

    I watched some of his videos. Basically he says ninja were never a group of people different and separated from the Samurai and the rest of the Japanese society. The distinction between a samurai and a ninja was just about occupation or role. That means that some of the samurai were involved in the shinobi role or occupation. And that the belief that both samurai and ninja were enemies is false.

    And as to Ninjutsu itself, it was never a fighting art or style according to his research. It was just a set of special skills used for espionage, sabotage, infiltration, breaking and entering, etc. And if there were ninja who were very good at fighting, it was because of their previous training in fighting arts.
  2. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    So while not a huge fan of his work, this is pretty much the consensus view within Koryu and Japanese history mainstream circles.
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  3. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    It’s pretty much the consensus within the Bujinkan too

    There are, however, schools from Iga that due to their history a) focus more on escape in their fighting methods, b) utilize certain weapons appropriate to “ninjering”, and c) do contain some elements of disguise, entering buildings etc (bear in mind that even in koryu circles many schools contain much more than just techniques for personal combat)

    Anthony likes controversy, but unfortunately hasn’t come up with anything new....
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  4. Nojon

    Nojon Tha mo bhàta-foluaimein

    Didnt he "resurrect" a ninjutsu school after buying a scroll and asking one of the family's descendants for permission?
  5. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    I decided a while ago not to devote any more energy on Anthony
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  6. bassai

    bassai onwards and upwards ! Moderator Supporter

    To be honest , I thought he’d dropped off the radar years ago.
  7. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth MAP 2017 Moi Award

    I disagree with his principles of training wear.....
  8. pgsmith

    pgsmith Valued dismemberer

    Wishful thinking. :)
  9. John R. Gambit

    John R. Gambit The 'Rona Wrangler

    The first part was accurate. The second part has no basis in reality. The shinobi were covert imperial bodyguards for the man who united Japan and are actually the reason he survived the shogun wars that got him there. So yeah, they could kinda fight. The man is a moron.
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  10. El Medico

    El Medico Valued Member

    Whoa! I been away so long Antony is subject of a post?

    Deja Vu.
  11. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Hey John, nice to see you again! :)
  12. John R. Gambit

    John R. Gambit The 'Rona Wrangler

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