Do CMA's lack budo?

Discussion in 'Kung Fu' started by Happy Feet Cotton Tail, Apr 27, 2011.

  1. Happy Feet Cotton Tail

    Happy Feet Cotton Tail Valued Member

    Japanese arts have an added emphasis on personal/mental/spiritual development which most CMA's lack.

    Discuss.
     
  2. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    Strange title for a thread - unless you are misunderstanding the word budo?
     
  3. Osu,


    I think the Chinese don't take themselves as seriously as the Japanese...
    That does not mean they are not serious.


    OSu!
     
  4. Happy Feet Cotton Tail

    Happy Feet Cotton Tail Valued Member

    I'm using the word Budo as a description of the element of a martial art that makes it "more" emphasis on the "do" area. Poor word choice quite possibly but fancy answering the question?
     
  5. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    Nope.

    I don't see how to discuss this. Kinda like saying JMA isn't as lunatic as FMA - discuss?
     
  6. Mushroom

    Mushroom De-powered to come back better than before.

    Spiritual as in religious or personal development?
     
  7. Happy Feet Cotton Tail

    Happy Feet Cotton Tail Valued Member

    Both.
     
  8. Ular Sawa

    Ular Sawa Valued Member

    I don't understand what you base your premise on. Can you be a bit more specific?
     
  9. Mitlov

    Mitlov Shiny

    Most Japanese martial arts have a paramilitary atmosphere (ranks, uniforms, rigid class organization, formalized bowing, etc) that most CMAs lack. This makes the personal/mental/spiritual development in CMAs less overt and obvious, but it doesn't make it any less significant. Instead, CMAs are like competitive sports in the sense that you still experience personal development and all that by working hard and overcoming adversity; it's just a less structured and less overt process than in a paramilitary-themed organization (whether it be Japanese Martial Arts or the Boy Scouts).
     
  10. Mushroom

    Mushroom De-powered to come back better than before.

    I would say it would be based on each individual schools itself. We dont bring religion into our classes as we have a diverse class. (Buddhists, Atheists, Muslims and a Greek Orthodox).

    We also dont force morals onto the students, we've had to talk to a few students regarding their views which were found offensive, in the end though, each is their own individual.

    But thats just our class. Maybe different somewhere else.

    Anyway...religion etc in a Chinese School? I think theres a Shaolin Monastery somewhere where you can talk to a monk about it.
     
  11. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    budo is a japanese concept. CMAs can not inherently have budo as they are not from japan. they have their own concepts, among them wu de, and, on a personal basis, the philosophies/religions of china itself, such as confucianism and taoism.
     
  12. Osu,


    Great outline of the different approaches Mitlov. :)


    Osu!
     
  13. Infrazael

    Infrazael Banned Banned

    Less formal and rigid in training structure and organizational hierarchy.
     
  14. Mr.Black

    Mr.Black Valued Member

    Maybe it just isn't so obvious like in Japanese martial arts.

    But even that ''obvious'' may be a trick because all that bowing and discipline isn't evidence for budo or do or spirituality.

    I think you can't say this or that martial arts lack budo - it's all up to individual.
     
  15. YongChunRules

    YongChunRules New Member

    If its the thing that makes almost every karate instructor a giant A-Hole then I'm glad CMA left it out.
     
  16. Mr.Black

    Mr.Black Valued Member

    But i will put my thouhts out - how do you define budo at all? Is it something esoteric which all believe and nobody can't explain?

    I know people who are using common sense, and are honest, correct, have a big and good heart and they less or more devoted to martial arts.

    Enough budo for me.
     
  17. Happy Feet Cotton Tail

    Happy Feet Cotton Tail Valued Member

    The title of this thread is based on what a Japanese MA teacher once said to me. He was alluding to the idea that CMA's are only concerned with practising their art in the purest sense with no bells attached.

    I found the idea a little preplexing to say the least as I did spend a couple of month as a teen training in Chan Quan Shu.

    Link: http://www.quanshu.co.uk/

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    I opened this thread to get some discussion on the difference in how a CMA cultivates personal character vs the usual JMA style.
     
  18. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    I think it better to define what you are after as ningen keisei.

    As I understand that, based on what I've been taught, it is more to do with character and personal development.

    Just saying Budo can have a wide range of meaning and the whole Do Jutsu debate is that entwined that you can't think of it as a black and white distinction.

    To me Budo is purely a Japanese concept it is intermixed with the culture and psychology of the people. Now that's not saying a non Japanese couldn't "get it" as they obviously do. What I am saying is that by trying to put one cultural concept on an system from a different background then you are already working from a faulty position.

    Do CMA lack Budo?

    Yes of course they do.

    Do CMA help to develop similar personal attributes to that of those found in the pursuit of Budo?

    Don't see why not but I know very little about CMA.
     
    Last edited: Apr 28, 2011

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