I was wondering what the Differences between Kyokushin, Enshin, Ashihara, Kansuiryu, Seidokaikan, and Shūkōkai are? Some examples of each that I could find: Kyokushin: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FB8hPmsg28"]This is Kyokushin fighting - YouTube[/ame] Enshin: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIDDQaz8BmY"]enshin karate, sabaki challenge 1999, Suzuki vs Izuka - YouTube[/ame] Ashihara: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IEfhbz_xfg&feature=related"]Ashihara Karate - Alexander Lavrushin, Battle of the Champions 2007 - YouTube[/ame] Kansuiryu: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Dwviu7E7I"]Round one, World Kansuiryu Karate Tournament. - YouTube[/ame] Seidiokaikan: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJrjoT9rfeM"]Seidokaikan karate world cup 1994 Final: Michael Thompson vs Sam Greco - YouTube[/ame] Shūkōkai: [ame="www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhEQZbIP8wM"]Shukokai Karate 2008 - YouTube[/ame] Andy Hug (because i can and because he's probobly the most hard butt guy to have ever lived): [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hz1vlheJTk"]Andy Hug vs Shokei Matsui - YouTube[/ame]
They're all fairly similar. There's a lot of variation in kihon and kata (or lack thereof) and some emphasize knockdown more than others. Yoshukai is also a good knockdown style.
Ahhh.... that does make sense, they all have a similar root (i think) so they would be similar. Yoshukai... TO GOOGLE!
I can only add a little bit from my short time with Enshin. Enshin only allows grabbing one side of the opponent. In the video you posted you see the ref stopping the fight for people grabbing the opponent either side of their centre line for example. So, I could grab the opponent's right tricep/gi sleeve with my left hand, but then I have to grab the right gi collar or, more usually, hook round the right side of their neck with my right hand, I cannot take my right hand to the left side of their body. Enshin allows a wide range of throws, trips and sweeps as I remember, in addition to the usual punches, kicks, knees and elbows. No punches to the face of course. I enjoyed the style enormously, though much may have been down to the Instructor, who has since left Enshin and now teaches independently and occasionally visits MAP under the name of Charnwood. He certainly produced tough, skilled people. Although it's not knockdown as such, you could also add Kudo to your list. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhcuYjLiZos"]Best of KUDO! - YouTube[/ame] Mitch
I considered Kudo but because it has newaza(grappling) I decided that its closer to MMA than Knockdown Karate. Its still awesome though!
Thats true, is their a limit to the newaza that is allowed? I seem to remember that there is a time limit
Yes there is a time limit, and I think there is some limit to the ground work involved. Essentially it doesn't allow for fighting for position etc etc, just getting someone down and seeking to quickly deliver a strike or submission. I could well be wrong though, I have never trained in Kudo. Mitch
Apparently around 30 seconds. http://www.daidojuku.com/eng/kudo/rule.html I'm a 1st kyu in Shukokai, and I wouldn't class it as a knockdown style. Most of the competitions were either point scoring or kata ones. Although i never competed.
Fair enough. Although I am still having difficulty classifying Kudo as Knockdown, despite the fact that they sparr like its knockdown and have a limited newaza.
