Hamed and Jones actual punching technique was within the constraints of textbook punching. Their technique was correct. The way they fought, the angles they produced, etc, though, was different from the norm. For instance, it is normally said not to lead with an uppercut from the outside, yet Jones did it frequently, and it obviously worked. It worked because it was unexpected. The actual uppercut itself though, was textbook stuff. The movement, timing, and when it was thrown was not. So I don't think that was a great example. Watch Jones throw a lead left hook, then watch Mayweather, and they will look pretty much the same. This is because it is 'textbook' as you put it. The way they do it is obviously the most effective, otherwise they wouldn't do it that way. Their styles of fighting however, are different. The topic of this thread was the punching demonstrated and how they were thrown. What piece of evidence am I relying heavily on, and what am I dismissing? I didn't get that bit. I know thugs that have knocked people out. But it doesn't mean they have good technique, and certainly doesn't mean if they had a punch-up in a pub with a trained fighter they would win, because they almost certainly wouldn't. They fight other idiots, so what does that prove?