TB - I've always thought you write some great posts, but I have to agree with these loopy kickboxing knuckleheads D) on this one. Yeah, yeah, we all know tai chi makes you a better person, we learn tai chi to learn not to fight, bla bla. But this particular thread is not the place for it. The title of the thread is "defence against muay thai grapple", talk about how IMA people are holier than thou really has no place in a thread which is about the technical aspect of a fighting situation. This is a MA forum, so the idea is people write about fighting. There's nothing wrong with book learning if you've got a positive contribution, but face it, you don't have as much experience as those who actually practice the clinch, and you shouldn't defend your pov by saying you're too good/peaceful/deadly to try what you've been saying. Suck it up, go to a MT class and try the IMA principles on someone who knows how to clinch. You won't kill someone just by using IMA grounding. Also, if only a lot more EMA people invaded the IMA forums. You're welcome anytime guys, just watch out for flying chi blasts and don't cause any trouble or I'll poke you in the eye.