Hey does any one on this list practice Tai chi's "Condencing breath"?? If so could you give some details about your practice? Thanks, Santiago
That term may relate to reverse breathing technique, which IMHO is not something you should really attempt untill you feel comfortable or ready. In reverse breathing, when you breath in you contract the diaphram rather than expand and expand on the outbreath. which would explain the term 'condence'. I havn't really practiced it myself to any great degree although Iv'e tried it to see what it's like. I'm sticking to the regular way for now! That the only thing I can think of that relates to that term without a bit more info on what you mean. Also referred to as Taoist breathing or pre-birth breathing In the regular breathing you can 'condence' your diaphram/dantien area on the outbreath. but you breath is being exhaled, so I doubt it refers to that. There are lots of neigong/qigong practices ascociated with IMA's that will familiarise you with the 'breathwork' - there is so much out there, that I find personally that less is more to begin with..If you don't have a teacher to help you - a few good books on the subject would be worthwhile. But if you do yoga you've probably got a head start already. Does Silat also incorperate such techniques, from what little I know its seems quite an internal kind of style, would that be correct? Here's a couple of links that may be helpful http://www.dragonslist.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=6247 http://members.tripod.com/internalart/the art of meditation/breathing.htm If it's not reverse breathing you are reffering then it something I havn't come across and is probably some 'higher level' thing that maybe Soggy and Gerard can help you with
no thanks but i was referring to the breathing method of tai chi where you feel the bones condence and compress with chi as you inhale and relax as you exhale. similar to Mantak's Bone breathiung method.... I have done reverse breathing its very very good. ALso Vase breathing from Tibetan Qi gong (Tummo) works wonders. Anyhow I just wanted to hear some other peoples experiences. cheers, Santiago www.doblesinstitute.com
What experiences are you looking to hear about? I've beein doing Reverse Breathing since the very first class I took nearly 20 years ago. It is the way all of our students are taught to breath, not only in class but in regular, daily life. It isn't hard to do, you just have to train it to become your "normal" breathing cycle.
What experiences are you looking to hear about? I've beein doing Reverse Breathing since the very first class I took nearly 20 years ago. It is the way all of our students are taught to breath, not only in class but in regular, daily life. It isn't hard to do, you just have to train it to become your "normal" breathing cycle.>> No this isn't what I was asking about. I too have been practicing Reverse breathing for many years (aprox 10) I was talking more bone breathing thanks anyways.
This may sound pretty ignorant. but , breathing through your bones? At the end of the day, it's all about the yi. I could close my eyes now and visualise it..and feel it. would that mean I was doing it?
Absolutely. Its like advanced qi gong training that (for me at least) allows fairly continuous expression of jing as well as fairly toughened iron shirt.
Do you have those as part of your hsingyi? Is there a difference in nei gong/qi gong? or does neigong just refer to more internal alchemy like the ones you mentioned. I know there's thousands of qigongs, so I take it these are quite specialised ones. At any one time i tend to keep it simple and I practice a small varied set that I'd like to expand on. got any reccomendations? books/video wise maybe, to steer me in the right direction to more of a deeper practice. I quite like the sound of continuously expressing jing . I am planning to visit with various other teachers, but in the meantime any info would be handy. The practices of hsinyi and yi quan particularly interest me in this area, do you think they mix well with taijiquan. Like san ti for eg. cheers
Im gonna stand on the fence a little with regards to the yi jin jing training, since technically you shouldnt need it. However, Guo Yun Shen did teach in three very distinct levels, of which one was to express continuous jing. Its very hard to describe, but visually it looks a little shaking-palm-ish. However, in practice its even harder to do, but means that given the technique you're doing, you can inflict damage at any part of the technique, and not just at the end or near completion of the movement. Yi Jin Jing and Xi Sui Jing are highly specialised methods, but are (or rather should be) found in all internal arts in one guise or another. It can be the case that you're already doing it, and just dont realise it! In terms of the iron shirt, its something that isn't directly taught within xing yi per se, though its bloody handy to have if you're going up against someone who knows what they're doing. However, if they really knew what they were doing, it wouldn't help so its not a total failsafe! Good thing is though, that the ironshirt (trained in the internal method, rather than external) is actually really complimentary to the breathing/"thunder sound" (one of the 6 key principals of xing yi) and so if you're getting the thunder sound down, you're getting the ironshirt! There are differences between nei and qi gong. Nei gong just means any internal method (so taichi can be called nei gong) but qi gong is specific to qi cultivation. I think the best and easiest method (even though not totally correct) is to think that nei gong can be used in application, qi gong cant (and when I say application, I mean by twatting someone ;-) ) Unfortunately I have not seen any book or video specifically for xing yi which even discusses continuous jing emission, let alone teach how to do it. I can understand why too. Its bloody hard and takes a long time! Do I think that xing yi or yi quan mix well with taiji? Well, they do share some commonality, but I wouldnt say they were compatible in terms of trying to mix together. I know Sun Lu Tang did it, but lets be honest, his taichi form looks nothing like taichi nor xing yi! From what i've noticed that xing yi relies heavily on 'dragon body', in that the torso/shoulders can move independently from the hips. This alas, i've not seen in taichi, unless someones been doing it bad! I think that xing yi and taichi - if done correctly - have some seriously good points. Taichi has a really rounded defence created by use of the arms. Xing yi has a seriously good defense by rolling with the blows (i.e. not defending, but just slipping them enough to not get injured!). Bad points to both as well: Taichi - have an arm disabled and your knackered. In the main, taichi doesnt seem to teach the practitioner to take a hit, so when it does happen, game over. Xing yi - mess up on the rolling with blows, and you're dead. If you're gonna do a tour of teachers i'll gladly hook up with you for a while and go through some stuff.
Thanks very much for that Guo, you've given me lots to consider. there are so many routes/options to go in regards extending the practice of IMA's being that there is so much out there. I am happy progressing slowly, but also like to keep running through options to ascertain a direction I may take. eg, The yang sheng and zhan zhuan gong from yi quan is appealing to me as an compliment/add on to my taijiquan right now. With the walking of the circle from bagua. Sometimes I feel that my eyes are bigger than my stomach though . But it'll be good to try out different things and see what fits with me. Thanks for the offer to train, If you can't make the proposed meet, I may well make the trip up sometime, and feel free to drop me a PM if you are ever down here and have some spare time to indulge me. I know what you mean about sometimes not realizing you are doing things, where small altered state in mind/body and you are doing things other people describe.. Thanks for the clarifaction on neigong, it's pretty much what I suspected. There is a glaring example for me in my practice (luckily). The difference in enrgetic/internal properties and emphasis between the 'old' yang and new yang forms that I have experienced. I've done a iron shirt type qigong where you run your hands up and down close to your body - does that count? My thinking is, if I want to block out pain, I can just as well use my mind/yi to do so. If I don't focus on it, neither will my body..we can let our neigong/qi gong training take care of it for sure while we focus on damaging the other guy first. It seems training the mind and body is one and the same in this game. cheers
Shen Fa (Yang Sheng) and Zhan Zhuang can be done in any old posture, the trick is just to maintain it! If you want to do some specific xing yi/yi quan, no problem! The iron shirt you describe is not the iron shirt I do. I would rub my hands close to my body, but only after i've been hit and going "ouch F8ck that hurt!"
