I mentioned it and stand by what I said. I am not sure about the other warnings I don't remember it well enough to argue that point. I felt it was a bogus stop. All of what you are saying is just you thoughts on it, not what would have happened if it could have, the illegal part was the knee to the neck and back of the head... Bogus is my thought. My reason for posting the site..Is; Now both of you are experts WOW... To many post's/fights... for me to keep up with... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Shamrock Should have looked it up and not mentioned the DQ and Ken at the same time. He was considered the most dangerous and so are others at various times the ones I posted, is to show that to you. You two should become a tag team like Dan and John hmmmm Guffyfist, I'll call you. So young and both so opinionated.