BJJ slamming vs wrestling slamming

Meh. If you're resorting to slamming in the guard, or even wanting too, then yeah, I assume you're a white belt, or a douche.

The "slams" that you guys posted about wrestling I think are totally fine btw, other than that kid who got power bombed. It's different/dangerous to slam them straight backwards. In wrestling you're always "cutting the corner" and bascially moving straight to side control because there is no guard. In BJJ, slamming makes them go straight back, the aim being to hit their head off the mat, or headbutt them "by accident".

 

There's no submissions in kids judo either, and in bjj is heavily geared towards positional training, catch being more about submission over position it would make it really really hard to do safely.

And tbh the kids would get more out of straight wresling (any style) and straight BJJ (gi or nogi)

 

The slamming viewpoint revels a lack of understanding in how why and when guard opening works and a disturbing lack of understanding of care for your training partner, and to much emphasis on 'winning rolls vs gaining skills'

Which means either inexperienced or not very bright, and I dont think anyone here has a low iq so im gonna go with inexperienced.

 

If that the case Iowa wouldn't have won so many titles with the blast double which drives straight back and bounces there head of the mat....

 

I meant picking someone up and slamming them forward ^^

 

You said you are always turning the corner and ending up in side control, this isn't the case

 

Yes, and that was an attempt to correct myself. You never pick someone up and slam them forward. If I'm wrong please provide examples.

 

Sorry I completely lost what you were attempting to say Chadderz. You first said that wrestlers only sneak into side control whereas slams in BJJ might involve bouncing the head off the mat or causing a head butt. Icefield said that the same effect of having the head bounce off the mat occurs with a blast double. Fine Now you are talking about never picking someone up and slamming them forward. Just want to understand what you are saying.

Thinking about it I'm not sure that is possible.. closest I can think of would be tripping someone from a standing single leg position and having them dive onto their stomach. Can you think of any time in any grappling art where people do a forward slam (if there is such a thing)? The purpose in wrestling is to put someone on their back (other than say sub-wrestling/?catch) so it is counter-intuitive to throw them on their stomach if you have them up in the air. Can't remember seeing a forward slam type movement in judo either.

Would love to hear what you really mean please.

LFD

 

Sorry man, haha!



Right, I meant that in wrestling, when you pick someone up and they are on your shoulder you don't go straight forward and slam down. Normally you go to the same side as the shoulder. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, but I can't recall anyone slamming straight forward. A power double is just attacking someone's hips and forcing them backwards without picking them up.

 

Normally you change the angle on a double and go to the side because they sprawl their hips back and you need to adjust, if they dont you go right through them, this is what got wrestlers in trouble in early mma they drove straight back and ended up choked out so they started going to the side lol
A power double as I was taught it goes up and through your opponent and you end up a good 6feet past where they are standing, you aim to carry them so far that we sometimes missed the crash mats as we went right over them

 

And why again are you using crash mats?

 

Blast double:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIx9phnIQSQ"]Blast Double Granby - YouTube[/ame]

I assume people use crash mats because there are only so many times you can get thrown before you start to affect your ability to train on the next day. I have used crash mats to train takedowns like the high-crotch, it doesn't mean the takedown is too deadly to train without a normal mat, just that the rigours of repeatedly training a move put different stresses on your body than what you have to worry about in a match.

 

Because they were out from the suplex training we were doing and the coach decided in for a penny in for a pound

 

The viewpoint isn't "you should guard slam your partners in training", it's "clinging to a standing opponent is a suicidal habit that BJJ rules should not encourage". And you can take half Victor Estima's medals back if you're going to assert that it's soooo easy to open the guard and pass once you're upright that the entire point is moot. Jumping closed guard also causes lots of injuries to the knees of people receiving the technique and gives an out from the standup game that discourages getting your hips close enough to throw properly. Since landing from a guard 'slam' that results from you jumping on your opponent can be at least as bad a landing as from a hard throw, the logical thing is to reward two points to the opponent, at which point the technique would entirely dissapear from competition without anyone getting hurt over it.

 

Here is me getting safely laid into side control in a wrestling competition, by the way, since that's the only kind of takedown that exists in that sport: http://youtu.be/JKDzPTc67FI

 

Landing sideways is different to getting thrown straight back.

 

No, it isn't, unless you have a grip on their leg before they begin the motion of the guard pull.

 

If you want to wrestle, wrestle, if you want to do bjj do bjj, if you want to get good do both.

Really in competition most people dont jump guard, its just one of those things in competition thats the arts own idiosyncrasies.