so basically im going to post what the self defense instructor im arguing with said instead of trying to sum it up. he wrote: "Thanks for your message. And sorry for the delay in replying and also for the fact that this will be a relatively short response. And no hard-feelings... my skin is a bit thicker than that mate I'll try to address your points in the order that you gave them. But firstly, I can't remember if you said you actually read the article or not... but here is the link to the article that this vid was made for http://www.northlondonselfdefence.co.uk/bjj-for-self-defence Basic positions that are found in the early stages of BJJ are indeed pretty good for self defence. I teach a select few myself. Fighting on the ground is all about positioning whether for sport or the street. Submissions on the other hand - whether basic of 'flowery' - do not fit the tactical model for personal self protection. Not high-level threats anyway. I know it sounds like a really '**** off' sort of comment, but the fact is multiple opponents is a BIG DEAL. And i'm sure you and other BJJ guys get tired of hearing it, but the fact is, it only takes your opponent to have ONE friend with him and any submission you attempt is rendered not so much useless so much as pointless. You may indeed break attack # 1's arm... but what what does that mean when attacker #2 is stomping on your face? Sorry bud, but it's a very important point. There's no way around it. Submissions require anchoring your self to a situation from which you should be getting away from. Submissions are indeed very high percentage is many cases. Never said they weren't. But again, they just don't fit the street tactical model. As for smaller people not being able to generate force to strike with, I find Mick Coup explains this one very well in this vid about 3mins in: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM7egia-wLg&feature=channel_video_title"]Highline Strike Breakdown 2 - YouTube[/ame] Nobody is saying that it will be easy, but it's much higher percentage that submitting. I mean, jesus christ, if she's so much smaller than her attacker what makes you think she's gonna be able to 'tap him out'. Think about it. "Dispensing people with a few strikes"... I never said it would be easy, man. But again, delivering blunt force trauma to the brain via concussive blows is 1) easier to pull off and 2) has a better debilitating affect on the attacker. There are definitely positions one may end up in where just 'punching your way out' wont work. The high mount for example. And for such positions I do indeed teach specific escapes. And you know, I learned them from BJJ. But they don't lead into submissions... they are simply the most basic movement(s) one would need to do to get back into a POSITION from which to either strike or get back to one's feet. That's it. BJJ does have non-compliance (resistance) from even the student's first day in most cases, which is what makes it so high percentage. However, it's only very high percentage against grappling because at the end of the day, the non compliance that is offered in BJJ is... BJJ! In other words, your opponent is fighting back... but he's fighting back with BJJ only. When was the last time you saw in a BJJ class a drill where your opponent is allowed to do whatever he wants, but you are only allowed to use BJJ? Because THAT would be training for the street. And THAT is the sort of thing we do in our class. Getting to your feet in BJJ. Again, as stated in the article, this is trained in BJJ. But not under pressure. Every done a drill where you opponent is trying to keep you down (maybe two opponents?) and you are trying to get back to your feet? Because that would be realistic training for getting back up. But simply repeating the 'getting up in base' solo drill over and over... it's not enough. We do that too... but we take it further. Lastly, I teach grappling, but only for 'low force options'. If uncle Jim has one too many to drink at the family BBQ and needs subduing. Grappling fits this tactical model just fine. But if some guys try to mug me (which they have done in the past) you better believe that armbaring and putting on RNCs etc is the ****ing LAST thing on my mind. And hopefully yours too."