Better Supplement Art for BJJ?

Discussion in 'Brazilian Jiu Jitsu' started by Pretty In Pink, Jan 29, 2017.

  1. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    I was wondering which stand up grappling styles you all favour for bjj? I find wrestling works way better even with the gi. I want to try Sambo at some point though.

    I found judo too restrictive and frustrating. Even though I prefer judo as an art.
  2. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Judo forces you to get really good at a smaller subset of grappling, good judo is really really good, in the same way greco is.

    Im currently training in 'wrestling for mma' and have found more carry over then straight judo for BJJ but that might be because I needed the focus on scrambles and active quarters work.

    Judo is far more injurious too. (in my very limited experience)
  3. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Wrestling is a tremendous compliment I have found
  4. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    i would say judo just because what's the point of practicing an art predicated on ground movements if you can't get your opponent to the ground first, and with control.

    but i'm always looking to say judo to everything and any problem anyone has. :)
  5. Elbow

    Elbow Valued Member

    I think top class BJJ includes wrestling anyway, so I'd guess that's the best supplement.
  6. PointyShinyBurn

    PointyShinyBurn Valued Member

    Even before the Judo rule changes of the last few years I'd have said wrestling because its concept of positional control is much closer to BJJ and it covers a wider variety of positions, many of which (e.g. single leg) are extremely important for both BJJ matches and fighting.
    Many very good BJJ guys teach wrestling technique that is somewhere between sub-optimal and totally useless, I'm afraid to say.
  7. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    I've only done it at one seminar but aside from BJJ it's the other thing I'd love to train: So about Luta Livre?

    I'm not sure how well it would add, because I know both only from seminars, but the LL-seminar was done by a young man who does both and really seemed to know how to move and use his body.
    He might have had 70/75kg, and managed to stay on the back of my ATK-coach with ease - who usually gets rid of everybody by pure strength (not so much technique).
  8. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    See if you can find freestyle Judo classes. It's essentially old school rules Judo and works superbly with BJJ. Unfortunately, it has a relatively small following in the UK (but is quite big in the USA and mainland Europe). I know my old coach Sophie Cox has some useful contacts if you want me to find out?
  9. Vince Millett

    Vince Millett Haec manus inimica tyrannis MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Quite a few BJJ clubs get a wrestling coach in to supplement their classes. We have a very good coach come to us once a month and to one of our team's other gyms once a month too. Hopefully this helps correct any weaknesses in our BJJ approach to techniques that overlap both arts.
  10. greg1075

    greg1075 Valued Member

    What techniques would you include on that list?
  11. PointyShinyBurn

    PointyShinyBurn Valued Member

    That BJJ players often do incorrectly? Things that spring to mind include:
    • Basic shot motion on the double leg/high crotch (e.g. banging the knee, no level change, vertical back);
    • trying to single with your head down;
    • "sprawling" by jumping up in the air and landing on your belly (or worse by doing a burpee)
  12. greg1075

    greg1075 Valued Member

    No, that are "between sub-optimal and totally useless". I read it as "techniques that are in themselves sub-optimal and totally useless", not that bjj players make them that way because they do them incorrectly. Did you mean the latter then?
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2017
  13. PointyShinyBurn

    PointyShinyBurn Valued Member

    I did indeed mean the latter.
  14. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    so the interesting thing about all three that you mention, is that the feedback on each is immediate, forcing one to learn to do them right.

    for example, i got guillotined during the learning process for the single.
  15. PointyShinyBurn

    PointyShinyBurn Valued Member

    Or you just give up on doing them at all, write off takedowns as a power game and go back to practising RDLR...
  16. Vince Millett

    Vince Millett Haec manus inimica tyrannis MAP 2017 Gold Award

    I've been taught the single leg takedown by a few BJJ instructors and three wrestling coaches, two of them very high level coaches. Firstly every one of them taught it slightly differently from the others, although there are obviously core principles. Secondly, one common agreement seems to be that BJJ guys don't always do the level change very well.
  17. Korpy

    Korpy Whatever Works

    I've always thought that Catch Wrestling would make a great compliment since it is different theories and ideas. Therefore, you could make both work very well together.

    Also Judo has always worked well with BJJ.

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