Battle cry screaming "kiai" in training?

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by mewtwo55555, Sep 21, 2014.

  1. mewtwo55555

    mewtwo55555 Valued Member

    So anyone do this? if so what do you say? i usually say something like ha but if I am feeling really crazy I shout sentences like "my name isn't Martha its James" or "I like french toast"

    What do you all do?

    Is there a Chinese term for Kiai?
  2. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    What do you think a Kiai is or does to the utterer?

  3. mewtwo55555

    mewtwo55555 Valued Member

    It "psychs" you up and might scare your opponent.
  4. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    It's a tad deeper than that.

    What pitch does your kiai tend to be ?
  5. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    Dean is pointing you in another direction, quite rightly. What's the real purpose?

  6. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    what style do you train in?

    if you train, say, a branch of karate, then you are 99% certainly approaching your kiai in an entirely wrong manner. other styles may vary.
  7. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    I'd love to see a densho that mentions French toast.
  8. mewtwo55555

    mewtwo55555 Valued Member

    are you guys talking about breath control?

    Or are you talking about the"kiai shout" that can hurt people by shouting at them? if it is this one that is psuedoscience.
  9. raaeoh

    raaeoh never tell me the odds

    Once in a while I yell ARRGH! Like an angry pirate. It is so worth tbe extra pushups.
  10. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    Breathing and more, depends how deep you want to go as kiai can have connections to mikkyo.

    Also you don't have to vocalise to kiai.
  11. mewtwo55555

    mewtwo55555 Valued Member

    Maybe kiai was the wrong term to use how about battle cry? also I practice kung fu hence the question if kiai has a chinese term for it.
  12. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    In CMA, it can be called as "啸 (Xiao)". You decide that you are going to give "100% commitment" on the move that you are executing. It usually is either a "knock down punch" or an "over head throw".

    Here is an example. You may make similar sound when you are doing your heavy weight bench pressing.

    Last edited: Sep 22, 2014
  13. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    In addition to what others are already discussing here............

    CLF developed around the time of the rebellion against the Manchurians. The sounds were a way to know others on the battlefield.

  14. mewtwo55555

    mewtwo55555 Valued Member

    I dont believe in esoteric things.
  15. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Its not required to be esoteric
  16. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    I make my enemies do the screaming.
  17. LemonSloth

    LemonSloth Laugh and grow fat!

    "Aaaaargh! It's ye dreaded butt scoot!!!"

    Something like that? :p
  18. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member


    I think that might prove problematic for you if you ever go into a highly specialised field.

    However I'm going to assume that you mean concepts and ideas that you see as being supernatural etc.

    Keep in mind that you asked about kiai and that has certain cultural aspects to it, anyway it goes beyond psyching yourself up and startling the other guy. You asked about what people shout for their kiai well that can have a direct connection to mikkyo, some of the older systems have specific sounds for their kiai or different kiai for different functions.

    I think to look at the nuances of it you have to look at what the kanji means.
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2014
  19. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    I breathe when I strike. When you start punching 100% you naturally stop breathing, so learning to breathe whilst striking is good. It also tenses your body and better prepares you for body counters and makes you less likely to get winded.

    No idea about anything else though.
  20. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    If you have time to shout this then you aren't actually training properly - at it's simplest level it is an energetic outburst...a "give it all you've got" kind of moment. Articulating a phrase is an indication you are half-assing it

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