Bajiquan vs Muay Boran elbows

Discussion in 'Kung Fu' started by Nykout, Dec 12, 2015.

  1. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    Agree!

    When your right hand grabs on your opponent's

    - left wrist,
    - right upper lapel,

    your right elbow can smash onto your opponent's face. Old saying said, "It's better to take 10 punches than to take 1 elbow". Elbow strike in general is more powerful than the fist strike.

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  2. Nykout

    Nykout Valued Member

    Hmm, wouldn't it be better to grab your opponent's right wrist with your right hand? This way you have much shorter distance between your elbow and his face. Or am I wrong?
     
  3. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    You can do that too. The difference is if you use your right hand to grab on your opponent's

    - right wrist and right elbow strike on his face, you are entering through your opponent's "front door" and your right elbow has to deal with his left hand.
    - left wrist and right elbow strike on his face, you are entering through your opponent's "side door" and your right elbow doesn't have to deal with his right hand. This is the advantage of the "side door" entry. When your opponent has left side forward and you have right side forward, you can use his leading left arm to jam his own back right arm.
     
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  4. Nykout

    Nykout Valued Member

    Yeah, it makes sense, thank you.
     
  5. Nykout

    Nykout Valued Member

    As far as Bajiquan goes, are elbows also used to block kicks?
     
  6. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    You can use your elbow to block a front toe kick or side kick. You first use one of your hands to block your opponent's leg, you then drop your other elbow straight down onto his instep (if front toe kick) or ankle (if side kick). You can also let your opponent's roundhouse kick to meet your sharp elbow joint. This is the "metal" strategy that you use metal to cut into wood. It has nothing to do with MA style but has to do with MA strategy.
     
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  7. Nykout

    Nykout Valued Member

    Ok, thank you.
     
  8. Renegade80

    Renegade80 Valued Member

    I would argue that style and strategy are the same thing.
     
  9. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    A certain style may emphasize on a certain strategy such as:

    - boxing likes to use "fire" strategy,
    - TKD likes to use "wood" strategy,
    - Taiji likes to use "water" strategy,
    - Hong Ga likes to use "metal" strategy,
    - wrestling likes to use "earth" strategy.

    But it doesn't prevent you to apply boxing footwork or wrestling rooting in your own style.
     
  10. Renegade80

    Renegade80 Valued Member

    No it doesn't, but doing so will likely change the mechanics, tactics or the strategy, by which I mean that whenever you add something it has a domino effect on the rest of the art as you improve how things fit with the new addition. In which case you have a different style of fighting.
     
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2015
  11. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Yes and no - Take a "simple" style like boxing: essentially the mechanics are identical but the variations are immense. A jab is a jab, but the way Ali does it is different that Frazier, who is different from Roy Jones Jr, who is different from Willie Pep...etc

    BJJ is the same - Galvao is not Garcia is not Mcvicker is not Rickson

    So perhaps a more accurate view is that style is the system you operate in and the strategy is how you manifest and apply that system - they are related and the crossover at sometimes is so blurred as to be almost indistinguishable, but they ARE different
     
  12. Renegade80

    Renegade80 Valued Member

    Semantically I would argue that the term style would make more sense if you applied it to variations in system. So each of the fighters you mentioned presents a different style of the system boxing.

    But it is just semantics.

    I think it is the variation in mechanics (movement and power generation methods), tactics (specific set piece responses) and strategy (overarching game plan from initiation to victory), that distinguishes styles/systems.
     
  13. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    And in doing so you ensure you'll never train anything.
     
  14. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

    Never done tong bei or CLF. looks as if there is some overlap in mechanics and likely the techniques that go with it. No? Yes? Maybe?
     
  15. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

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    similar to this ?

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