Bad martial art videos

Michelle should consider getting a refund from whoever gave her a brown belt (apparently she does TKD). I felt a bit sorry for her watching this video.

Denial will only get you so far. Better she faced the music in the enviroment she did rather than in a real life self defense situation.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SwBPC4-hlU&feature=topics"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SwBPC4-hlU&feature=topics[/ame]

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJSZ1TwjcsQ&feature=topics"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJSZ1TwjcsQ&feature=topics[/ame]

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMvjDB6HJGc&feature=topics"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMvjDB6HJGc&feature=topics[/ame]

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S14fd_oumcY&feature=topics"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S14fd_oumcY&feature=topics[/ame]

 

Why?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCazc4fCxWE&feature=topics"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCazc4fCxWE&feature=topics[/ame]

 

I have provided the back story that was given with the video. But I did some more research and apparently she also has a brown belt in Sambo (I wasn't aware that Sambo even had a grading system).

As for the sparring, I presumed that she being a brown belt had some basic knowledge of the fundamentals. I didn't really see much of that in terms of either TKD or Sambo, except for her covering up. It could have been the case that she hadn't of spared someone bigger than herself yet alone a male before, and for that I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. However, I presumed that mixed gender sparring was generally a common sight in full contact martial arts, I was also under the impression that sparring was also practiced regularly by brown belts.

 

Hmmm....I don't think it's as cut and dry as that.
A brown belt in TKD and/or Sambo would suggest at least a passing familiarity with stand up striking and/or grappling.
I don't see any such familiarity in evidence in that video. She turns away when hit, ducks to grab low kicks, etc etc. Bad habits.
On the ground she shows scant regard for position and instead opts for inneffective strikes.
She doesn't need to "win" to display some skills. Just show she's got some idea of what she's doing.
It's a common fallacy that advocates of MMA type sparring or testing expect people to win in order to display their skill.

I mean I agree that this is not a "bad" martial arts video at all. It's some sparring. We can all look sub-par when sparring. It shouldn't be here.
But I too would be questioning what my training up to that point had achieved if that was the results when I sparred MMA style.

 

I'd be up for that. I have a camcorder and a sense of self-deprecation.
What's a 360 kick again?

 

Where does it say her brown belt is in TKD? When I read the video description it says she tested for her brown belt and this is her first time sparring with mma rules. To me they made it sound like this was part of her test and she was just beginning to spar at brown belt.

If she is a brown belt in TKD then at the very least she should have had better foot work and distance control skills and there aren't any rules in mma that would have prevented her from using them!

I don't know what the true story is but most people are going to read the vid description and watch the video. Based on that this video is begging for some harsh criticism!

 

Care to explain what the difference is between a 'bad' martial arts video and an 'unpleasant' martial arts video is? (I need to know this so I can refine my own personal definition, at the moment two and two are in the same boat). Maybe you could demonstrate for me through two different video examples - A 'bad' martial arts video and an 'unpleasant' martial arts video - I tend to understand things better that way.

But to respond what I thought was 'bad' with it;

MMA isn't rocket science... its mixed martial arts.
The techniques in MMA are fairly universal in both its stand up and ground work. I'm not stating this video is bad because she didn't win, or she didn't throw proper low kicks, I'm stating this video is bad because she hardly did anything, nor did I see any Sambo.

Watching videos like this scares me, especially at the level she's at being so close to black belt (if that means anything anymore). This wasn't heavy sparring, or sparring in the cage, that was light sparring.

What if she was attacked on the street?

Yes, I whole heartily agrees she deserves a big pat on the back for giving it a go (and I mean that, MMA is not a soft art), but thats not the issue here. The issue here was that she couldn't defend herself. And by all means, I hope she continues MMA.

Please don't take this the wrong way, I never meant this as a personal attack on her but as an example (I have posted similar videos on this thread before, however I didn't take the time to offer much in terms of commentary). Its really important that we don't delude ourselves nor others of their own abilities (which is what I was seeing here), and that we be real with ourselves through regular evaluation and testing. Its the only way we can improve and shed light on our progress.

Free sparring is one of the closet things you're going to get to a real life self defense situation as its one of the only times (generally) in the martial arts practice where both practitioners are fighting based on reactions (second nature). In any full contact martial art (such as Sambo), technique and sparring is bread and butter.

 

I know shes a brown belt in Sambo based on the channels other videos, the TKD info I got from tags. So chances are I'm mistaken about the TKD. My bad, I just realized that now, or it could be that the guy sparring her does TKD.

There is a separate video for her brown belt grading featuring grappling. I saw first time MMA sparring, but I didn't see first time sparring (they could be the same thing). Her brown belt video features rolling in it. Whats confusing is I didn't see any of this in her MMA sparring match.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtNBfP8aGEQ&list=UUyLtKWJJD3zBfg56YNiJLLA&index=1&feature=plcp"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtNBfP8aGEQ&list=UUyLtKWJJD3zBfg56YNiJLLA&index=1&feature=plcp[/ame]

 

You're saying MMA is easy? When was your first match? How did it go?

That was the point of the video - she was having a crack at some MMA sparring against bigger, heavier, more experienced opponent. She reacted like most people would against a bigger, heavier, more experienced opponent. If you doubt it, pick a martial art that you don't know and challenge a bigger guy to a spar in it.

In what way? Had she been posting that she could a beat a bigger guy in her first go at some friendly MMA sparring? If not, how was she deluded?

To be honest, it reads to me like you were being a bit patronising and trying to make out that she'd suddenly had her eyes opened to reality of the big bad world for the first time, when actually she just agreed to have a bit of a kick about with a big bloke for the fun of it and, surprise surprise, didn't kick his ass.

 

I didn't say it was easy either...

But, you're probably right, I was reading too much into it and It wasn't fair of me to place her in this thread.

 

I remember a thread on this on Bullshido. Did you guys notice that it took her about 5 seconds to stand up from the ground? In a fit looking young woman, that's a sign of exhaustion. Being that tired makes anyone fall apart. This was at the end of a long hard test. To top it off, Omega is a former pro fighter, and enough of a hardcase that if he says she deserves her rank, then she deserves it.

 

Thanks for the clarification. Next time I will be extremely careful with what I post and will not post anything without researching into it first.

Lesson learnt (and my ego temporally crushed).

 

'Michelle' looked severely fatigued alright. Maybe she reverted to instinctive bad posture because of that. She went completely side on a number of times and got taken down quickly. Also why at 0.38 does the voice tell her not to block with her knee? The only reason I can think of is to prevent injury to her sparring partner. Why does 'Omega' have his hands so low? Perhaps it's because he knew he was against someone with much less experience?

@Mitch: How long were the rounds in the knockdown grading? In Kyokushin Budokai I did a 5 man kumite (can't remember how long the rounds were) for 10th Kyu. At the 2007 summer camp in Croatia students grading for black belt did 30. Some of the higher dan grades, including my former coach, who was 1st dan, did 50.
I'm not bragging. It just seems low for a knockdown Black Belt. I would have had to do 10 for 7th Kyu is all.