Discussion in 'Judo' started by iolair, Jan 10, 2003.

  1. iolair

    iolair Mostly Harmless

    Are there any Judo schools out there that teach atemi-waza (striking techniques) as a significant part of the syllabus? And if so, at what belt/experience level do they introduce them?

  2. Joe karate

    Joe karate New Member

    Iv'e never done any Judo but as far as I know Judo has a small emphasis on strikes for self defense. Note: very small.

    Also a heavily sport oriented judo school would not even touch striking. I don't think judo has strikes because i read it is a sub-division of jujutsu. The throwing part of jujutsu is judo. Karate is the striking of jujutsu.

    If your looking to learn a striking art i would not advise looking for a judo school as it is unlikely that any will teach it. I would recommend
    boxing, Muay thai, kempo, or karate as good striking arts(although my bias is to kempo)

    P.S: The information i stated is from Bruce Tegner's Judo book and a jujutsu book by george kirby. Not from experience in a judo school.
  3. Jim

    Jim New Member

    iolair, our system does but we're a little bit far away for you to come to classes a few times a week.

    Just as there are good Karate schools who can teach throws, there are good Judo schools who teach atemi.

    Good luck in finding them.
  4. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    If you want to learn to hit go to a place that specialises in that.

    Seeking out "Atemi Waza" from a Judo school is like asking a Muay Thai school to show you throws. Yes - they DO have SOME but it's not "What they do".
  5. iolair

    iolair Mostly Harmless

    Jigoro Kano's original remit for Judo included strikes as part of the art, but not as part of competition. As far as I know the vast majority of Judo schools only teach strikes as part of one Kata, and not before Black Belt. I was trying to clarify this, and was wondering if any schools that called themselves "Judo" schools gave a greater role to striking, or introduced it earlier.

    The majority of my combat sport/martial arts experience is from assorted forms of Karate, however. I attended a Judo school in my teens for a little over a year, and still use/practice some of the techniques.
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2003
  6. Tintin

    Tintin Cats: All your base...

    My understanding (probably wrong!) of things is that Kano had intended to formalise joint manipulation and striking techniques into judo (specifically for randori shiai), but sadly died before he had a chance.
    One of his pupils had been Kenji Tomiki, who he had sent to train in Aikido with Morihei Ueshiba. Tomiki formalised a randori element for Aikido, consisting of those elements that Kano had not had a chance to include.

    This can be seen in that many high graded Aikidoka are also very adept judoka and vice versa, so if you want to do Judo with striking, try to find one of these people.
    I have to say though, its a bit like asking a goalkeeping goach to teach a striker how to shoot. They are basically in the same business, but not a specialist in that area.
  7. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    The Judo Atemi-waza exists in kata form which is very rarely taught these days, and I would say are only really of interest to enthusiasts, you wanna kick and punch go learn somewhere where it is the 'primary' element of training!
  8. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    My point exactly. :)
  9. Tintin

    Tintin Cats: All your base...

    oops, thought I'd come up with a dazzlingly clever analogy, but looks like I've just echoed Yoda from 2 posts previously.

    I await my punishment for blatant (but unintentional m'lud!) plagiarism.

    I would have got away with it if it wasn't for you pesky kids:)
  10. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    Plagiarism? I thought we were talking about Pugilism ;)
  11. Solane

    Solane New Member

    Lol Freeform
  12. Kwan Jang

    Kwan Jang Valued Member

    -Mike Swain(only American judo world champion and US Olympic coach) once told me that the 3rd degre form contains this "but no one ever practices this".
  13. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    Yeah, but the forms practiced at Dan grade are different from country to country suprisingly.

  14. Jim

    Jim New Member

    Country to country? More like club to club...
  15. TheMachine

    TheMachine Valued Member

    you can also cross train if you really wanna learn atemi waza

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