I define art as a way to express oneself aesthetically, which can obviously not be done by talking, for instance. Like music, poetry, film etc etc. In this way, are martial arts really an "art"?
"Art" has multiple meanings. A quick google included definitions from "the creation of beautiful or significant things" to "a superior skill that you can learn by study and practice and observation" (as in "the art of conversation"). Some but not all martial arts qualify as the former sort of art (wushu springs to mind first and foremost). But the grittier and less aesthetically-oriented a martial art is, the better it fits under the latter definition ("the art of fighting"). So it's ALL "martial arts."
I define Art as the one in Simon and Garfunkel who wasn't Paul Simon. In this way, are martial arts really an art? (aside from being facetious, my point is really that I think you've limited your definition of art to one that differs from the meaning intended in "martial art" - i.e. "the crafts of war". Martial arts were never intended to fall under the definition of "art" you use above. I actually have a partially formed opinion that the definition of "art" you use above is a relatively modern corruption of the term and that the word should really only be used synonymously with "craft" or "skill", but I don't have any evidence to hand to back that up)
i still stand by my point that martial craft would be a better term first one to mention world of warcraft gets punched
But if we call it "martial craft," people who think crafting = making things with your hands could question the appropriateness of the term. I'd be fine, having rebuilt an epee or five in my time, but the rest of you fools...
LOL. I can see martial craft fairs springing up across the country, with martiat 'crafters' trying to flog thier badly constructed goods to ignorant visitors. 'katanas, buy one get one free'
Martial art is expression of the human body through physical movement. Similar to how interpretive dance and rhythmic gymnastics are used to convey emotion. Art is an expression of life and transcends both time and space. Does martial art achieve this goal? Look at how it passes through the centuries and crosses over borders, and you have your answer.
Art can be defined in many different ways, the relative "correctness" of these definitions is a very contentions subject. So I suppose it just comes down to what you consider art to mean. Personally I say no because the aesthetic aspects of martial arts are not (generally) the most important part of the endeavor, but if you have a different interpretation of art than I do then who knows.
That's what I've been hearing but I wonder how it happens? I can't see how one can express himself in combat. :bang:
Because you should be a clone of your teacher. Everyone has their own style. That's the artistic bit of fighting. Creating something that suits you
Here's my brief meanderings, posted in the OP's related question on the JKD forum: http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?p=34180693#post34180693 As for art not being possible by talking, I think most Mark Twain fans would take exception to that idea. Stuart
As an art Martial arts are artistic! Not just in the ownership of technique, and the expression of self through the execution. Consider for a moment, dance. Consider, too, something like Cirque du Soleil. I've found that people can be moved, they can be inspired by the athleticism of a martial arts performance. Martial arts has many sides; there is the self defense aspect, there is a competitive aspect, a health aspect, and the performance aspect. Martial artists today want to move away from the performance aspect, their argument being that it isn't practical. its too showy. Which, in a myriad of instances, is very true. Rightfully, these individuals do not refer to their practice as martial art. They call it martial science, martial strategy, and others. They are subtly aware that this facet of combat is missing. Personally, and this stands as an opinion, thoroughly practical martial arts can be just as moving, applied the right way. One thing I strive for with my students is athleticism. A common theme for me is Momentum. Let our movements move .
In addendum, are you not inspired watching a talented or particularly skilful practitioner? Food for thought.