Anyone used his silat?

Discussion in 'Silat' started by Kertas, Jun 12, 2008.

  1. Kertas

    Kertas Valued Member

    hi guys,

    i would like to know if anyone here has been in a situation where you have to use your silat? i have been in few confrontations. in cape town, on my way home mostly during evenings walking through town, some muggers approached me. At one time, two guys blocked me from walking, asking me for all my money and possessions. i just kept quiet, while putting my right leg forward, they looked at my foot. i then practiced my lankah, turning my direction in the opposit (90degrees) and walked away fast. after taking ten steps, the muggers were standing on their same spot puzzled and laughing at me. at least i got away using lankah hehe..

    now your turn. i'll tell you another incident when i get a reply heheeheheh:p
     
  2. Raden-Rahmat

    Raden-Rahmat Valued Member

    scare tactic

    was approached for whatever i had i guess. was on a corner and this guys just stopped me and said "give all you got, i want your money or ill stab you". I looked at him and said no. then he flashed his knife at me and luckily i used to keep my lucky silat charm with me....My Teacher gave me a Kerambit...so i stepped back to assume stance and then smiled firstly (which is Guru Azlans tipu to put up a happy and cheerful approach hehe, apparently ive seen many of the Panglima pictures where the Pendekar always has this "smile")...then i gladly made as if im handing something to him and i flashed the Kerambit with great pleasure...thinking i was gona use it...happy to bits!!!
    then i happily slipped of the leather cover which looks like its 30 years old now...and the lovely curved blade with its extra sharp edge shined in his eyes...and i said "now stab me"...and he just backed off!!! it wasnt me, its the Kerambit...i think he was terrefied to be ripped apart cos i assumed a low stance to rip his thighs and i think this really got him packing... Thanks to all the Silat Founders
     
  3. pesilat

    pesilat Active Member

    Working as a bouncer, I used the principles of axis control I'd learned from my Silat to keep people from turning toward me as I escorted them out. I would also crowd their space - I was perfectly comfortable in close because that's where my Silat is at home but they would be uncomfortable so they would move away. I used this method nearly every night I worked and it enabled me to escort many people out without ever actually touching them - I'd "herd" them toward the door (even when there were multiples this method was useful) while monitoring their axis to prevent them from turning on me.

    One of the few times I actually had to do anything more to get someone out I walked behind him and every time he tried to turn around I poked him hard in the shoulder blade - just enough to prevent him from turning and disrupt his balance to cause him to stumble another step or two toward the door.

    The most classical usage of Silat happened by accident. A guy bumped into me - as far as I know it was an accident - I pivoted with the bump and did a sapu that sent him skidding across the gravel. He actually apologized to me for bumping into me as I helped him up - he didn't realize that I'd done anything intentional (though unconscious) to put him on the ground. He thought he'd just bumped into me and lost his balance and fell.

    Mike
     
  4. Saiful Azraq

    Saiful Azraq Valued Member

    Salam hormat,

    Comparatively, (to Mike, Kertas and Raden-Rahmat) I don't do dangerous work and never had mugging experience (and I hope it stays that way). The methods in Silat has served me in many ways throughout my life and it takes some doing to remember all of them.

    Nafas Melayu & Stress Management
    Nafas Melayu has helped me in situations where I nearly panicked and almost did something foolish. Among them: Being involved in an accident and being outnumbered 4 to 1, having my car stolen, suffering from financial problems, etc. They weren't direct martial conflicts, but my enemy was my own physiology and my mind.

    The controlled breathing methods allowed me to regain focus and put effort into the solution and not the problem at hand.

    Silat Lidah & Conflict Resolution
    In my personal, family and work life, I've applied the 7 Petua of Ruang (space), Titik (static point), Alif (linear energy), Lam Alif (recursive energy), Jantan Betina (relativity), Mata Angin (compass points) and Jengkal (measure) to resolving, by merely speaking, many issues.

    During my life, I've learned various conflict resolution methods, but none as comprehensive as the one in silat, which ranges from being purely intentional, to nonverbal, verbal and physical. Half the time, these conflicts were resolved at the nonverbal level.

    Salam persilatan,
     
  5. tellner

    tellner Valued Member

    A few times, and some of those were in odd and unexpected ways.

    Since we've never had a nice, obstacle free, flat-floored place to work in everyone has had to become good at catching falling or flying students, moving them out of the way of obstacles, avoiding toddlers and animals who get underfoot and so on. That skill has proved very useful many times.

    We spend a lot of time learning to read and conceal intention. That has paid off many times. One of the most memorable involved a manager who was trying to play "Mine is bigger than yours". I was at the white board explaining a piece of code when I realized something was wrong. He was coming up behind me with a clubell and winding up with it like he was about to take my head off with it. I had the awareness to realize something was wrong and have the knife out but hidden. A fraction later the little battle computer that seems to always be running in the back of my head said "Not a real threat. Do not kill." Silat allowed me to avoid surprise and fear. And it probably saved the idiot douchebag's life. Sometimes I regret that last part :rolleyes:

    Other things? Let's just say that you can perform a very nice inside sapu on someone and keep on walking. Observers aren't exactly sure what happened.
     
  6. Kertas

    Kertas Valued Member

    Thanks 4 all the replies. Seems like silat definitely has had and impact on all of our personal encounters. Least of all,our silat helped us defend ourselves against physical or mental negative energy. On another occasion,i was confronted by 3 gangsters who approachd me with knives in their sleeves. The tallest one grabbd my arm and threatend that his two man army wil stab me if i dont give my money. I just told him to go ahead (coz i knew that nothing wil overcome me besides that which is in my destiny) and i started walking with his hand stil grasped around my hand. I dragged him along. His army of two were stupid enough to follow until they realised they had forgotten about their empty threat,and left me alone. On a separate occasion, two guys blocked my way on a bridge holding two knives,again wanting my stuff. I again applied the 180 degree turn and ran away. That worked for me. Hehe
     
  7. pesilat

    pesilat Active Member

    Oh yeah. Part of tellner's post reminded me of another really cool time I used my Silat understanding.

    I was hiking with my wife. She slipped and was headed for the mud face first. I didn't have time to actually catch her but I was able to touch her arm. I couldn't even grab it - I just barely managed a firm touch. It was just enough - combined with my understanding of how people fall - to allow me to spin her so she wound up sitting down in the mud instead of going face first.

    Mike
     
  8. Banjar Man

    Banjar Man New Member

    I am a teacher by profession and sometimes you have rowdy students who tries to get on your nerve. Sometimes, there are rowdy parents who retaliate to their children being cane for any wrongdoing in school. Just last week another teacher in my school had a confrontation with a boy who suddenly got angry at what the teacher said and approach him in a threatening way. But the teacher, a silat practitioner, calmly told the student, "Why don't you throw the first punch, if I fell, that's ok. But if you find me still standing, you watch out." The student stopped, didn't dare to advance further. Good for the teacher and the student too. I can never imagine what would happen to the boy if he threw the first punch.
    But in my fifteen years of teaching I never got myself into any of these situation at work or outside. I probably could handle any unarm hand to hand situation with my silat training (I say probably, I was never tested). But I agree with the earlier post that when you are trained in silat, you carry yourself around in a certain way that any bully out there who are looking around for a fight would think twice before engaging you. Maybe there is an aura of invincibility (debatetable, could be a start of a new thread) around you that others see radiating from the way you walk, eye contact, awareness of your surroundings, the stare in the eye. This phenomena can be a saviour for you without you even realizing it.
     
  9. ross-24

    ross-24 Valued Member

    I hope you're not an English teacher. You should never start a sentence with "but" and some of your spelling is terrible, as is your grammar.
     
  10. Rebo Paing

    Rebo Paing Pigs and fishes ...

    Salam Banjar Man,
    Dari Banjarmasin atau Banjarnegara mas?


    For Ross-24 .........................

    But ... he's probably not a native english speaker like your honourable self.
    And ... as has been pointed out to me many a time, there should be some slack offered, particularly as the sincere attempt has been made to communicate.
    But ... it takes a dill (me) to recognise a fellow dill (you), so I take it upon myself to rudely censure you, just as you did censure him.

    Come on roscoe ... the man communicated, you on the other hand are just being a sanctimonious feeble-dick. I hope your kicking is better ... because the value of your communication is bloody pathetatrocious.
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2008
  11. Saiful Azraq

    Saiful Azraq Valued Member

    Salam hormat,

    But, English does not have absolute rules. Because, the language doesn't belong to just one race anymore, just as they say that silat no longer belongs to the Melayu. So, I believe that we are entitled to have our own peculiar usages of English, just as the Americans and the Australians have theirs. And, if poetry is allowed to break those very rules that you cited, then martial artists should be given even more leeway, because martial arts is ALL about breaking!

    Muhuhuwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

    Pak Krisno, miss you.

    *I found your purposeful grammar-breaking. Can you find mine? :p

    Salam persilatan,
     
  12. ross-24

    ross-24 Valued Member

    Aye, ok. I didn't think of that, being that MAP's all in English, isn't it pretty hard for a foreigner (not meant to sound xenophobic, but I don't know how else to describe someone who's not a native) to comprehend certain aspects of MAP then? I found bits of his/her post quite hard to comprehend. No need for the swearing though, only makes you look uneducated if you can't get your point across without the use of profanity.
     
  13. Rebo Paing

    Rebo Paing Pigs and fishes ...

    Well ... it does sound xenophobic ... I'm not a "native" either ... to English, but I am native to silat, it is part of my culture, and if Banjar Man is from Ndonez, it's part of his as well.
    There is an adjustment phase when learning about the more's of different cultures. It's a lot easier when one is from a multi-lingual background to begin with.

    Ah, but me wee friend, if it be my speechifying that concerns you it would be "sounding uneducated" and not "looking uneducated" that you might be referring to. And if I may be so bold laddie, as to offer some philosophising? A wee bit of profanity can be the salt that seasons this otherwise dry discourse, if I says so meself ... aaarrr. :hat:

    Rahayu DiMas Nadzrin! Ya, I notice you have been absent as well, but judging from Silat Melayu - The Blog it is time well spent? Very nice You Tube clip of Silat Melayu Keris Lok 9, the style movements looks VERY similar to mine.
     
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2008
  14. Saiful Azraq

    Saiful Azraq Valued Member

    Salam hormat Pak Krisno,

    Actually, time better spent with my 3 month old daughter and managing increasing demands at work. I have been running around like a headless chicken trying to ensure everything is ready before I leave for Illinois mid-August for a certification. Was hoping to conduct an informal Senaman Tua seminar, but my schedule is now too tight for anything planned.

    As for the look of Silat Melayu Keris Lok 9, there is a very good reason for your comment. It's Silat. :)

    Salam persilatan,
     
  15. ross-24

    ross-24 Valued Member

    Aye, maybe so, but it's against the ToS which you agreed to by joining MAP. I stand by "looking" though, after all, text doesn't make a sound does it? It's the way other people view you by that text, so looking's perfectly adequate.
     
  16. Banjar Man

    Banjar Man New Member

    Thank you ROSS for highlighting the errors. I will try to make sure that my future post will be errorfree as much as possible. I am glad to get some responses here though. To answer your question, I am not an English teacher but I teach Bahasa Melayu.
     
  17. ross-24

    ross-24 Valued Member

    Cool, sorry. I was a bit aggressive.
     
  18. Rebo Paing

    Rebo Paing Pigs and fishes ...

    Safe journey to AS and back diMas, and my best wishes for your family!

    Salam,
    Krisno
     
  19. InsertUserName

    InsertUserName New Member

    Interesting thread, especially before the xenophobic trolling began. Hopefully we can get back to topic.

    So my experience of Silat in real life. I was walking out of a public toilet when four idiots decided it would be funny to block my exit. It wasn't life or death so I decided to use techniques for control rather than destruction. I find Silat, with its emphasis on Axial rotation and ability to forcefully change hieghts is great for controlling opponants without unduly harming them. The exit was too narrow for them to come more than two abrest. I dropped the first one by grabbing his wrists and dropping into a low stance then whiplashing back up and sending him sprawling into the guy behind him. The second guy I used a shin to shin trapping technique. I pivoted around him and the force of the pivot helped buckle his leg even further. By this time I was getting annoyed so while I pivoted I drew my balisong. That left me with one standing opponant. I plowed through his weak guard and put a knife at his throat. They all backed off after that. The rest of my night was thankfully uneventful.
     
  20. ross-24

    ross-24 Valued Member

     

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