Antifa Forming "Self Defence" Group

All of them

punch people in self defence
the second you resort to violent you lose the argument

 

So at what point before your lynched is it ok to punch a KKK member?

 

I'm against punching a guy for having the wrong ideas, it's but how you win debate, all you do is give them the moral high ground.

that's a jump isn't it? it doesn't just go from 0 to lynching.

 

Having actually had interactions with these people they are very fast to label you and go to intimidation and violence.

"I don't think socialism has a workable strategy at the moment until we get to star trek relicators where we can produce enough to sustain it."

^ is that sentence reason enough to try to punch me? because that's what happened.

 

If your only argument and counter point is a punch then yes

Yes - "if you are now with us you are against us" is the typical approach being found these days, to the point that the word is actually losing any and all meaning....having been called a "nazi" more times then I care to count

yes - "by ANY means necessary" has been there rallying call in recent months, and that was in response to ANYONE - and I do mean ANYONE - that was putting forward a view that they do not agree with

It is also worth noting this is is a smaller subset of ANTFA, (akin to the "kill all men" style rhetoric of some feminist groups) but their visibility make the Overton window unnecessary as the tactics push sympathy away

As i said to someone the other day "extreme light blinds as much as extreme darkness"

 

Another group called BAMN has that rallying cry too.

 

After being punched, Spencer said he was afraid to espouse his ideas in public. Can't say I view that as a bad thing. Most of us would be fine saying the use of military force against the Nazis was a good idea; not sure why that latitude is only afforded to the state.

 

No, this happened.

Twitter

funny that because he doesn't seem that bothered

 

All he's doing nowadays is using that attack as an example of the "violent left" and how he's being targeting by attacks.

 

“I don’t think I could go out to an inauguration event without bodyguards or a protest or a conference,” he said. “I am more worried about going out to dinner on an average Tuesday because these kind of people are roaming around.”

From nytimes article, am on phone, will link later

 

He's not stopped speaking he just has security now.

He's more worried about being randomly attacked because they are normalizing violence.

What do we do when what they consider as a Nazi/facist widens?

 

Making it more difficult for him to speak, increasing the expense for him, making him afraid to be in public, yeah, these are valid accomplishments to me. As for the slippery slope fallacy, cross that bridge when we get there.

 

We've seen extensive political violence from the right, they're also in power and able to make that violence policy; handwringing only occurs when leftists take up arms.

 

we are at that bridge, I have been attacked for "being a Nazi", which translates to I'm not an anarcho-communist therefore you are against us.

I don't like Nazis either but I've never even seen more than 10 at a time.

 

The fact that you were attacked doesn't really cause me to worry about the Spencer's of the world. I'm not claiming that every antifa action is justified, or should even be legal; just that this one had good effects.

 

I couldn't give a flip about Spencer he's an idiot.

It had a good response for a terrible reason, it is justifying violence, it's not how you solve political division it only ends up widening the divide.

 

Violence is not an acceptable answer. Granted, I've no idea who this Spencer is, but as long as he doesn't spew hate speech, let him say what he thinks.

Same for guys like Tommy Robinson. Dude is a git. But you can't physically assault him for things he says.

 

All kinds of violence is justified, many, I suspect, by you as well. I simply think this one is as well. I'm not sure any amount of political debate or good faith efforts can bridge the gap with racists or nazis- I think the best you can hope for is to silence them.

 

He does spew hate speech, so uhh... yeah.

 

Tommy Robinson, the EDL and britain first
are great examples of people who need to be opposed, obviously violence isnt a first resort, but I have no real moral problems with using violence to stop greater violence.

I've been a bystander at an (counter and main) EDL demo, and saw people being threatened with violence for the colour of their skin, Id happily punch a nazi if it were warranted.

The key element is "warranted".

Obviously pacifism is the ideal, but that didn't help the jews/gypsies/disabled last time.