absurd requirements from masters

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by MMAWARRIOR20, Oct 3, 2006.

  1. Kwajman

    Kwajman Penguin in paradise....

    My old instructor made the students bring in report cards. If the BB's grades slipped a bit he would not let them test or teach. I dont' think he had an actual 'level' he required them to maintain, but he was pretty strict.
     
  2. Beltless

    Beltless Banned Banned

    101 in english language. successful language is understandable language. different dialects and pronounciation hold no ground in determining "correct" language. but grammar to a high degree is important. wait, what am i on about? you know what, ignore me. peace.
     
  3. Tomas_Drgon

    Tomas_Drgon Valued Member

    Just to let you know:
    To my knowledge there is no accredited educational institution that gives out doctorates in acupuncture. His degree is most likely from a degree mill.

    Having said that, there are places that rquire things like that and it is not unreasonable. It's their place, their rules.

    Tomas
     
  4. Langenschwert

    Langenschwert Molon Labe

    Absolutely. I do find it strange that the master requires a certain academic performance level from his students, but it's his school, so it's his call. It's also good to have a balanced life in general, and academic performance is part and parcel of that.

    Certainly proper grammar is important, since spoken and written language are society's medium of information exchange. Certianly there are others (body language, music, art, etc), but the simple fact is that people will judge you by the way you express yourself, no matter how smart/dumb/nice/outgoing you are. For example, my older sister took great pains to make sure that I could speak without using the rather disctinctive accent that was used where I grew up, and my success is in part related to that. I was taught how to express myself adequately, and it has paid dividends. Thus when your master requires a certain degree of academic achievement, take that as an indication that he cares about his students outside of the dojo or salle. That's a good thing. It's your choice to do it or not, but if the Art is being taught well, then what the heck. Maintaining the highest GPA that you can is good thing in and of itself. It will teach you the discipline you'll need in pursuing the Art and the discipline required just to get through life. It isn't a bad deal, IMO. It can't help but benefit you!

    Best regards,

    -Mark
     
  5. Tommy-2guns...

    Tommy-2guns... southpaw glassjaw

    come on, hes doing the best for you, and being smarter AND a better fighter is certainly no bad thing, and definatly not a bad combination to have...
     
  6. shuyun3

    shuyun3 Shugyosha

    Strange but not absurd

    While it may be an alien concept for some to mix academics with martial arts it is not a new concept.

    What kind if student would you be if you cannot show your discipline. Maintaining an average shows discipline. If you can't balance your studies (or responsibilites) with your martial arts, which parts of your training are you also neglecting.

    Some masters are not interested in making fighters that just whoopass, they're interested in developing people. People that won't whine when they are being told to do something that's good for them.

    An absurd requirement would be something like, "Take a hit from everybody before you learn your first lesson, that cultivates humility." Like heck it does. It develops ego for one thing.

    Or initiation rituals that do not have a good reason. Running a gauntlet may test prowess and endurance but getting whacked just because everyone else has gone through it is absurd.
     
  7. MadMonk108

    MadMonk108 JKD/Kali Instructor

    I happen to be a friggin genius.
     
  8. MadMonk108

    MadMonk108 JKD/Kali Instructor

    It's more likely that he has a certificate from a recognized school of accupuncture, and the OP just doesn't know what he's talking about. We have TAI-Sophia right here in our backyard, Tomas.
     
  9. MadMonk108

    MadMonk108 JKD/Kali Instructor

    From Takuan to Musashi to Yamamoto, I could quote countless "classic" martial arts masters who placed a high degree of emphasis on education.
     
  10. RaccoonWrangler

    RaccoonWrangler Valued Member

    Three weeks ago, a mid-level color belt in our school who is 16, and VERY good was supended from coming to class for two weeks because he was failing some of his classes...

    He came back this week, and was told by our instructor that even though he kept in practice while he was gone, he was going to be unable to attend the World Tournament this coming weekend. because he was on probation.

    Our instructor did this knowing that this young man is easily good enough to winn all gold medals in his age group; so I would say your instructor is not alone in his stand on education.

    If you're in school, and in MA, you have to be able to do both FULLY.
    Balance doesn't just apply to standing and moving on your feet, balance in life is important, too.
     
  11. Davey Bones

    Davey Bones New Member

    Perhaps, but when you come onto a forum and post about the absurdity of needing to manitain a 3.8 GPA to train in martial arts and your post is littered with grammatical errors, it makes your argument against said requirements much less compelling!
     
  12. MaverickZ

    MaverickZ Guest

    Musashi? I thought he was more or less a wandering bum.
     
  13. Davey Bones

    Davey Bones New Member

    He did receive at least a basic education from Buddhist monks, and is obviously possessed of a certain level of native intelligence as he did write the Book of the Five Rings. Also:

    It may not have formal in the sense of grades and GPAs, etc, but it was formal in that great warriors were also great at totally unrelated things such as calligraphy, origami, poetry, arts, etc.
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2006
  14. Langenschwert

    Langenschwert Molon Labe

    The same was common in Europe as well. Depending on the time period, knights were expected to be able to dance, and compose poetry, in addition to being skilled warriors.

    -Mark
     
  15. theunforgiven

    theunforgiven New Member

    I say buck up and do your freaking school work. Why complain about things like that? you joined the school. If you really want a black belt that bad go to another master.

    most, if not everyone on here needs to uphold a job (probably full time) and potentially a family at home, they dont complain that they have to go to work, or have to feed their children, or see their wife (ok sometimes we do.) but you learn about the important things as you get older.
    MMAWARRIOR's info:
    "Biography:
    I plan to be the greatest martiall art fighter of all time
    Location:
    CA
    Interests:
    watching martial art movies and anything that's has to do with hand to hand combat
    Occupation:
    martial artist "

    About being the greatest martiall... art... fighter.... of all time.... good luck.
    about the occupation: do you make money doing this? (aside from kicking kids butts for their lunch money)

    Im just telling you that youre complaining too much... maybe you are just a "Can of condensed soup"
     
  16. Jang Bong

    Jang Bong Speak softly....big stick

    I'll go along with that comment. Our instructor gets reports from parents and teachers regarding the behaviour and classroom achievment of the junior club members. No specific marks required (AFAIK), but he (a) doesn't want training to be detracting from studying, and (b) doesn't want to be giving skills to children [or adults for that matter] who don't respect those abilities.
     
  17. MMAWARRIOR20

    MMAWARRIOR20 Valued Member

    you sound like a enlish teacher. Or should I say an English teacher.hahahhaha
     
  18. MadMonk108

    MadMonk108 JKD/Kali Instructor

    Wahh...my teacher wants me to do my homework...wahh...I'd rather play Halo...wah...school has nothing to do with martial arts...wah...
     
  19. theunforgiven

    theunforgiven New Member

    Wow, yaknow, slipthejab has laid into me before... but dude, mmawarrior20, (not even worth the capital letters) Slipthejab has a good point.

    (The most ironic thing about this entire post... mmawarrior is complaining about GPA and then we point out he cant spell. Maybe your master is just picking on you.)
     
  20. MMAWARRIOR20

    MMAWARRIOR20 Valued Member

    This is the internet bad grammar is common. Why do some people take it so seriously?
     

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