a serious question of real life application

Discussion in 'Weapons' started by ABanzhof, Nov 20, 2010.

  1. Stolenbjorn

    Stolenbjorn Valued Member

    I don't know about switzerland, but in Norway, you have your personal weapon at home if you're part of the (norwegian equivilant of the) national guards. This is for response-time, and a relic from the cold war. Russia had the capassity to directly fly 2 airborne divisions pretty much anywhere in Norway, so response-time was crucial. Today, politicians and beurocrats haven't had the ***** to decide wether we still need that responsetime or not, and have ended up with a stupid compromize; We still have our weapons at home, but the firing pins are located in our bases, so we're basically stuck with somthing that shouldn't be stolen by criminals, that we cannot use for anything, as we don't buy firing pins for HK416 on the net (but the criminals can and will). Any solution would have been better; either keeping our guns stored safely in the base, ready to fire, or letting us have the gun stored in our homes, ready to fire. But I guess it's not only norwegian politicians that can be utterly stupid :bang: :rolleyes:
     
  2. LilBunnyRabbit

    LilBunnyRabbit Old One

    Yep, every Swiss male between 18-34 (sometimes upwards) will have done national service, and will have their personal weaponry at home. All 18 year old males (females only serve if they volunteer) will go in for compulsory training if they are found suitable (about 66%, the rest get training in alternative areas such as battlefield medicine, engineering, etc).

    Women, if they choose to serve, are given exactly the same rights and duties as their male counterparts, including storing their personal weapons at home. A small portion of the army is made up of professional soldiers, the other 95% is conscripts.

    Of course, once someone's compulsory service is over they do have the option of still retaining their personal weaponry. If they do so the automatic function is removed at a factory, so they're left with a semi-automatic rifle instead. The price of ammunition is subsidised by the government for both citizens and military personnel, but only for the particular ammunition used by the army.

    Gun crime in Switzerland runs at about 1 death per 25 000.

    Overall if you want to survive the apocalypse, it's a good place to go.
     
  3. Polar Bear

    Polar Bear Moved on

    Bottomline. Post apocalypse survival will come down to mostly to luck and badassery. Frankly kit you can find. Skillz is what you need.

    The Bear.
     
  4. Manga

    Manga Moved On

    Okay so I just read through this thread in one sitting. I actually can't believe some people are actually allowed out without supervision...

    To the OP I have this to say.

    Firstly, look at this picture.

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    These are called "women". You can spot them because they generally have these two bumps at the front but don't spend too long staring to check this out as we don't really like it and can get narky.

    Now look at this picture.

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    This is called "beer". It comes in various shapes and sizes. Drinking it is fun. You can sometimes combine the above two subjects thusly.

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    Combining the two occasionally leads to this picture but there's some things even I'm not going to try to explain over the internet.

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    Okay, now look at this picture.

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    These are what we call "friends". Again they come in all shapes and sizes but usually they share various common attributes such as loyalty, providing a shoulder to cry on, coming round your house and drinking your beer (see above).

    You'll probably note that none of the above include any form of wolf, assault rifle or blunt instrument.

    I strongly suggest you attempt to incorporate the above three components into your daily life before you end up as a headline along the lines of "FBI STORMS COMPOUND".

    This has been a Manga Service Announcement. Happiness Is Mandatory. Are You Happy Friend Citizen?
     
  5. embra

    embra Valued Member

    I reckon installing a Nuclear Missile shield deterrant system in one's back garden is a must, in today's crazed world.

    Witness the Noth Koreans challenging the South Koreans to armed TKD today.
     
  6. LilBunnyRabbit

    LilBunnyRabbit Old One

    If you read through the thread in one sitting, I think you should be supervised for a few days, just in case.

    I have to say if my friends were anything like the above assault rifles and blunt instruments would come in to play. Fortunately they're not (although blunted swords and archery does occasionally feature).

    Trust the Computer. Beware of Communists, Secret Societies and Mutants. The Computer is your friend. You are happy.
     
  7. Manga

    Manga Moved On

    LilBunnyRabbit said - "Trust the Computer. Beware of Communists, Secret Societies and Mutants. The Computer is your friend. You are happy."

    +++Friend Citizen, You Are Exhibiting Knowledge Of Banned And Dangerous Enemies Of Alpha Complex. Please Remain In Your HappyCube™ Until Our Agents From HIL Sector Can Escort You For Reassignment As A Batch Of CrunchyTime™ Algae Chips, Great With A Serving Of Bouncy Bubble Beverage™. Have A Nice Day Friend Citizen.+++
     
  8. robertmap

    robertmap Valued Member

    I know it's naughty to post this in it's entirety again - but I liked it so much, I just had too...

    Have Fun.
     
  9. LilBunnyRabbit

    LilBunnyRabbit Old One

    Friend Computer, you will note that I am wearing a Hawaiian shirt. Do not question a Programmer. Please put yourself into debugging mode for further instruction.
     
  10. Langenschwert

    Langenschwert Molon Labe

    Friends don't let friends watch Friends.

    In all seriousness, all of my "survivalist" type friends are married or engaged with good jobs, higher education and excellent appreciation of fine alcohol. And remember, some "Joe Public" types see martial arts training as signs of being a loser or having a deranged mind, and might well level the same mocking tone at Manga (or any of us) as they would at the OP depending on their ilk. Just sayin'.

    FWIW, some of my friends are indeed ex-military and see their preparations as "just in case", having seen first hand what happens to societies that collapse and neighbours really DO start shooting each other. In that case, it can be seen as prudent to prepare in some way for that eventuality. From their perspective, they've seen people splattered all over sidewalks because they weren't prepared for man's inhumanity to man.

    However, more likely is some kind of natural disaster, in which case the most important item is a 72-hour kit and to stockpile whatever medication you might require. And malefactors will likely be trying to save their own skins rather than target innocent civillians right away anyway. Keep lots of water on hand... that's the main thing.

    But Bear is right... it's your skills that matter. No sense having a gun if you can't shoot or a sword if you have no idea how to use one. By all means, be able to defend yourself and your property to the degree you find wise. But keep your wits about you.

    And get a big dog if you can, provided you're an experienced dog owner. Excellent companion, and excellent dirtbag deterrent. Be prepared to spend about $100 a month on food though.

    Best regards,

    -Mark
     
  11. Manga

    Manga Moved On

    Langenschwert said - "FWIW, some of my friends are indeed ex-military and see their preparations as "just in case", having seen first hand what happens to societies that collapse and neighbours really DO start shooting each other. In that case, it can be seen as prudent to prepare in some way for that eventuality. From their perspective, they've seen people splattered all over sidewalks because they weren't prepared for man's inhumanity to man."

    Well yes, absolutely. It's also handy to be prepared for when graboids start grabbing up your rec room...

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UhalTb2K0A"]YouTube - Wrong goddam rec room !!![/ame]
     
  12. Langenschwert

    Langenschwert Molon Labe

    Jeez, I hope my finished basement doesn't end up like that. Are you trying to give me a panic attack or what???? ;) Darn graboids wrecking my drywall.

    And Reba is a badass. :)

    And to the OP: Yes, protect your family. However, weapons require training. Lots of it. There isn't any way around it. You can't buy a gun or sword, set it aside and hope to use it with anything approaching effectiveness in the extremely unlikely event of something untoward happening that might warrant its use. Anything else is basically fantasy, and a dangerous one at that.

    So, find a martial art you like and train. It's fun! Relax and enjoy your life. Make sure your smoke detectors are working. Spend time playing with your kids and bring them up right. Read to them every single day. Maybe you and your family can take MA together. Maybe that would be nice. :) Remember that end of the world scenarios are just that: scenarios. They are not as important as the here and now. None of us are promised tomorrow... live as if that's your highest truth and you'll probably be very happy.

    Best regards,

    -Mark
     
  13. Manga

    Manga Moved On

    Langenschwert said - "Remember that end of the world scenarios are just that: scenarios."

    And remember, not a single one of those scenarios has actually ever happened :hat:

    Far better to just get on with your life. There's too much of it to waste sitting in a bunker smirking at those suckers who'll buy the farm when the big one hits but you, your spear and your pack of wolves will be fine.

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  14. Polar Bear

    Polar Bear Moved on

    Not true they have happened many many times in human history.

    The Bear.
     
  15. Manga

    Manga Moved On

    On a local scale yes, but....oh you know my comment was tongue in cheek, don't be a silly polar bear :hat:
     
  16. Stolenbjorn

    Stolenbjorn Valued Member

    Isn' this only a joke-thread? I don't know of a single person in Norway who have ever designed a survival basement :eek:

    If we're talking serous for a moment, I think having a house outside the cities, where you have a garden where you can hone your "grow tomato and potatoes"-skills is the trick. When Norway was occupied by nazi germany, many people living in cities hired patches from farmers around the cities, and they went on farming-holidays to their patches to plant and reap. People even held pigs in their bath-tub's :)

    That's the sort of survival-skills you'd need. Any dork running around in Afghanistan with a messer and a spear would be taken out pretty quick, out of sheer curiousity :hat:
     
  17. Langenschwert

    Langenschwert Molon Labe

    No, the OP is entirely serious. The same thread is on MT as well. While I applaud the desire to keep one's family safe, I think perhaps he might think about it a little too much. But then again, I don't know the guy.

    Indeed. Like I said, you can't eat money or ammo. The chances of an armed confrontation are much smaller than say, scurvy for many doomsday possibilities.

    Heh heh.

    Best regards,

    -Mark
     
  18. Wolf3001

    Wolf3001 Valued Member

    Had one of them didn't work out I will save my money for ammo.
     
  19. Mitlov

    Mitlov Shiny

    You'd think that, but...

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    http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201009/gary-faulkner-hunts-osama-bin-laden#ixzz169FpqCrE
     
  20. Wolf3001

    Wolf3001 Valued Member

    I had a guy tell me while he was over in the Middle East with the military he noticed a Blackwatter guy with a Katana strapped to his back. He told me some of them guys were nuts and that they had orders to stay out of their way. Anyone else hear anything like this. I have a friend who was medically discharged he was so upset about it that he was looking into joining Halliburton im guessing they hire Blackwater but im not sure he was talking about it for awhile but was later able to go back. He seems to live on it he can't get enough.
     

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