a little bit of sparring

Discussion in 'Kickboxing' started by KaliKuntaw, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. KaliKuntaw

    KaliKuntaw Valued Member

    One thing Vunak and most good teachers will tell you, you have to use it alot with different people. It works for slower moving people anytime, but as you see in the video You can get caught playing around with it. Also, i practice it on my dummy in order to be able to get used to really digging in to the shin or knee.

    It is probably best to have your training partners wear goalie knee and shin guard.
  2. KaliKuntaw

    KaliKuntaw Valued Member

    Yes Sir a little mix of this and that.
    I experiment with FMA Pananjackman, Savate, point Karate, and Tae Kwon Do.
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2013
  3. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Then put all of the videos in one post, rather than the several individual posts you did earlier.
  4. Unreal Combat

    Unreal Combat Valued Member

    Your footwork might do you some good against inexperienced people, or someone who you regularly train with that you have accommodated to, but anyone who knows what to look for would instantly take advantage of that. It was one the first things I picked up on. You're off balance for a period of time and anyone with a good hint of aggression would prey on that.

    I would certainly pay attention to it and work on losing the bad habit while you can.

    I was more specifically referencing 1.00 when you threw a kick to the head into a straight body punch lowering your guard in the process which allowed a nice quick retaliation (something I've been caught with myself many a time as I learn to break the very same habit).

    I didn't once notice you attempt a sweep. The lowest I saw your foot go was with your knee shots with your instep.

    I never said anything about powering up your shots. Not once. ;)

    I didn't really see much space creating in your video to be quite honest. When it came down to exchanges it was more step out then step in and flurry, step out then step in and flurry. The large open environment certainly doesn't help to show this.

    Not at all.

    It does mean, however, you should clarify your style. Hence why I asked you to at the end of my post in case I was seeing something in a way I shouldn't be, (taking into account I am a Full Contact Kickboxer and will generally look at Kickboxing videos posted as such, because it's the style I follow) and with that I look at this video and just think...

    "What the hell?" :confused:

    So it makes sense, in a forum dedicated to Kickboxing, where there is "obviously" different styles of Kickboxing, to name the style of kickboxing you are showing off. Be it Savate, American, Muay Thai (which should go in the Thai Boxing forum), etc.

    I don't view FMA Pananjakman as Kickboxing as it is mainly just the kicking from Eskrima, with the arms used primarily for defence (could go in the Silat forum really). Jeet June Do Kickboxing (Jeet Kune Do forum?) I do not really view as Kickboxing either (in my opinion), do we just call anything that involves kicking and punches Kickboxing? No wonder Kickboxing in itself is being looked upon less seriously, and losing more and more popularity as a sport with there being so many arts that try to hybridize themselves as a Kickboxing style. It's inevitable, but sad none the less.

    So really that only leaves Savate. Which, at a competitive level, is pretty similar to American Full Contact Kickboxing with low kicking rules. Sure there's some differences, but they aren't major at the higher levels meaning there are still some principles for both that can apply to both.

    I wouldn't really call that Kickboxing then. I'd call that experimenting with mish mashing several different styles in the back garden, as you were doing. :D
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2013
  5. KaliKuntaw

    KaliKuntaw Valued Member

    Is there something against me posting examples instead of waist 1000 words with a video that can do it in 5 seconds?
  6. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    As it happens, yes.


    All we ask is that you either introduce the video, or give a brief explanation as to why it was posted.

    We're not asking for a lot, but we are a discussion forum after all.
  7. KaliKuntaw

    KaliKuntaw Valued Member

    I was Kick Boxing in my yard.
    Invited people to have a look.
    I am not going to say it is on any great skill level or anything.
    It is just a small example of how i do it.
    Hopefully i will be better later on but im an old dog so who knows.
  8. KaliKuntaw

    KaliKuntaw Valued Member

    By the way Joe Lewis, RIP, and Chuck Norris used JKD concepts in their Kickboxing.
  9. KaliKuntaw

    KaliKuntaw Valued Member

    When i posted that i used a certain way to deliver the kick and showed examples, that was not correct?

    Post 18
  10. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    Or, you know, the FMA forum. ;)

    Pananjakman or sikaran are terms used specifically to describe kicking, it's true. But nobody in their right mind uses kicking minus the boxing component (panantukan, suntukan, whatever).

    I'd agree that the clip would have been more at home in the JKD forum. I think it would have gotten more views as well. Or, at least, more views from people used to seeing this material (i.e., JKD people). That's also one of two places where people "expect" to see material from KaliKuntaw.
  11. KaliKuntaw

    KaliKuntaw Valued Member

    I shall keep that in mind next time.

    Although it was influenced by this and that, it was at its core, a kick boxing sparring workout. Had it been JKD it would have been more about interception and not so much trading.
  12. Unreal Combat

    Unreal Combat Valued Member

    You know I am sorry if I come across as, um, strong in my opinion. It wasn't intended as an attack on you so please don't see it that way. But where I see areas for improvement I feel they should be pointed out, and you should take it onboard. I don't criticise you for fun, neither did I (I did offer constructive reasons why I pointed out specific parts), I do it because I believe my own experiences as a practitioner in full contact Kickboxing can serve to help you improve.

    I would expect no less from anyone else on here if I posted a video of my own training. ;)

    Yet if they fought, and were scored, they would still be bound by the same rules as everyone else. Silat strikes to the knee or shin, for example, would be absolutely useless in the ring because they're illegal strikes. That only leaves specific strikes which can be used, and there's reasons why Full Contact Kickboxing strikes (like the typical Kickboxing roundhouse, not the Thai style) have evolved into the style they have today. Everything has a purpose.

    Completely missed that, haha.

    I've watched a fair few tournaments and I haven't really seen much in the way of boxing used. Mostly the kicks, sweeps and throws. It's not something I would generally associate with Kickboxing personally.
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2013
  13. KaliKuntaw

    KaliKuntaw Valued Member

    Which is one reason why i posted it.
    Being that i have been side lined, it is good to get out and work things and try to fix deficiencies. But like i said, im an old dog so i might not be able to learn/unlearn stuff at my age....lol
  14. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    I wasn't criticizing where you chose to put it. Just joking with Unreal Combat about missing that we had a dedicated FMA forum
  15. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    What kind of tournament?

    Okay, let's amend that then. I wouldn't advocate using hands purely defensively and sticking with kicks for offense. But I have heard that the boxing part is less emphasized outside the States. Not completely ignored though.
  16. KaliKuntaw

    KaliKuntaw Valued Member

    I have only learned it via PFS influenced training so panatukan/jackman are both together with the usual Uncle Vu material.
  17. Hive

    Hive Valued Member

    This is a great technique to ruin someone's mobility for the rest of their life. It's taught in WC (fear the deadly) and is also allowed in Sanshou but ONLY with the thigh as your target. My Sanshou instructor advises never to use it though as it is pretty easy to fail to strike the intended target (thigh), hit your opponent's knee and get instantly disqualified and banned from future events. It's just not worth the risk really.
  18. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    It can't be that easy to accidentally ruin someone's leg. It's been in use in savate for years and years. I've used it myself in sparring many times without trouble.
  19. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    I agree.

    I use it also. It's a nasty move, or a great disruption.

    It's up to the user to exercise discretion and control.
  20. KaliKuntaw

    KaliKuntaw Valued Member

    Yeah if you both have some shin guards you can lightly tap the shin. With us it is understood that one can not go full force on low line kicks with training partners. We go maybe 30%.

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